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Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Yes, vim + a couple of plugins. It has it’s downsides, but one thing it does well is being familiar, and never breaking a contract. Even the plugins themselves can be pinned to a certain version.

As much as I love Vim, it simply isn't an IDE.

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Eh, I have used vim, spacemacs, sublime, vscode, atom, eclipse and netbeans. Jetbrains IDEs have superior functionality out of the box across languages and don’t require me to mess with and debug a million plugins. I don’t mind a UI refresh, it’s going to be just like the gmail refresh everyone hated it and now we’re all fine with it. I just wish they would invest more money into things that are actually a problem cu…

Switch branches? Let's index it all again! Working on a Rust project? Let's index the Go stdlib. It'll be ready in 10-20 min, please hold.

I've been waiting for indexing improvemence for over 10 years, not holding my breath.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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I find the entire "java world" as I like to think of it, littered with slow IDEs. The "Electron bloat world" editors have been much more snappy in my experience. Typically the "java world" editors will lag out to the point where tapping on the "File" menu will take 3-5 seconds on occasion. Also they seem to rely on "indexing" and while the "indexing" operating is taking place, the entire editor just slows to a comple…

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Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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I love how all the panels/windows in Jetbrains are just text. Like "run", "maven", "database", "terminal". The new icons take up more than twice the space (thickness vs the vertical text), and conveys nothing at all about what they do. Also one of the reasons I'm not that thrilled about Fleet. I get it's easy to just in general be negative to change. But these are professional tools. I've used it for over a decade. I…

From their FAQ:

    Will Fleet replace any existing JetBrains IDEs?
    
    No, it will not. We are fully committed to continuing active development of our IntelliJ-based IDEs. With Fleet, we’re aiming to offer an alternative view on how an IDE can be organized, and this is impossible to implement within our current product line without going against the expectations of developers currently using those other IDEs. This means Fleet will co-exist with our established products.
    
    Additionally, Fleet heavily relies on the IntelliJ code-processing engine for its smart code-editing features, such as project-aware and context-aware code completion, navigation to definitions and usages, refactorings, on-the-fly code quality checks, and quick-fixes.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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Seriously! Their slick, compact, and beautifully well laid out UI is one of the primary reasons I use I Intellij Idea. If they force this update, I'll just not update it. Not to mention, since I now will not be updating it, I can cancel my yearly, recurring subscription too. Hey Jetbrains: You just have to do one thing. And that is: to NOT mess up existing thing. Even if you stop launching new features into your prod…

> Forget what VSCode is doing. Except for remote development extension. Do that. It's the killer feature of VSCode.

They do that, I’m playing with it now. Have a look at Jetbrains Gateway: https://www.jetbrains.com/remote-development/gateway/

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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to be honest, not sure why they have to explain themselves. started using JetBrains products when Eclipse became a monstrosity. this is not the first time the UI has changed. and it has always been gradual, with options to customize. they don't have to explain themselves here.

True, but people will also not have to explain themselves when they eventually switch to VS Code because VS Code is free, has the same UI, and get more feature rich by the week.

IntelliJ is incredibly feature rich. Eclipse fell behind, because its corporate backers like IBM, I assume, didn't fund it as massively anymore. Who's sponsoring VSCode for Java development in a way that competes with the weight that JetBrains is throwing around in that space? I don't use VSCode, so this is part honest question (and part presumption).

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

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I love Jebrains IDEs. They can save you lot of time. For example, VSCode does not even come close to Jetbrains git branch comparison. It's insanely good. I think a proper IDE is always better than adding 10s of extension to get similar functionality from VScode. Even then it does not compare to the beast that is Jetbrains IDE. Jetbrains should keep working on their own thing instead of trying to change because of som…

Me too, I don't think I can function without JetBrain products as an engineer. It is ridiculously powerful. PyCharm + Database tab + Debugger + Little calculator icon for impromptu interpreter + long tail of features that totally make it amazing. I don't use built in Git but I heard that's great too. The database feature has stuff like copy results of a query as INSERT statements. Mind blown.

Re: Dear JetBrains, Don't mess with your UI

#70

Maybe I don't understand the praise but the JetBrains UI is one of the most clunky UIs I've ever used for coding. I'm honestly glad to see something more VSCode-like in Fleet.

I agree that some areas are very clunky. But overall, as a Java developer, I am just incredibly productive in IntelliJ. Such that I happily take the rough edges for granted. Happily.
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