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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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A more likely scenario which mirrors how discriminatory laws work elsewhere: 1. Get arrested for a minor offence like speeding. 2. Law enforcement checks your app and infers you are gay (maybe wedding photos of you and your spouse?) 3. It was going to be just a fine, but now you are facing prosecution for the much more serious offence of being gay. 4. Law enforcement officer can make the charges disappear for the rig…

You would be surprise to know the reality, and people are happily living in Qatar, gay or not gay. I wouldn't worry about it.

I would be surprised because it isn't true.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Qatar also practices modern-day slavery. https://dohanews.co/report-qatar-fifth-highest-proportion-sl... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Qatar#Slavery

I know it was more to talk about the slavery and human rights half but it’s sort of fascinating to see flogging in the penalty list. Makes me wonder if that would be a more effective punitive deterrent against recidivism. While I know some people get off from it and it wouldn’t deter everyone, I have to wonder how much more viscerally unwilling to risk the punishment the average criminal would be if instead of 6 mont…

I think the latter is better, simply because it can be upgraded to its next step, which is to shift the focus of the jail time from punishment to rehabilitation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehabilitation_%28penology%29

In general I don't think punishments work. I can't imagine one goes back to being a productive, and wholesome person after 100 lashes in public. And other first world leaders seem to think the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment#Internatio...

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Permissions from Aurora Store (3rd party to Play Store): Hayya: - control vibration - have full network access - prevent phone from sleeping - run at startup - run foreground service - view Wi-Fi connections - view network connections - access sensor data at a high sampling rate - access approximate location only in the foreground - access precise location only the foreground - listen to C2DM messages Etheraz: - acce…

I wonder if any of those permissions could be used to give the app access to raw touch screen data. In theory only system drivers should be able to. If possible, it would pose a huge security risk: raw touch screen data reveal where the user taps before the data is sent to any security layer, so that by simply matching the coordinates to the known shape of the virtual keyboard, a malicious app would easily find text,…

No, they can't, for the reason you explained.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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The permissions mentioned sound like someone that doesn't understand the permissions systems used by Android and iPhone tried to translate them. So this part of the article is almost useless as it is hard to figure out what permissions the app actually has. I don't understand the Android permissions system well enough here, but I would be especially curious about which API version this is targeting as I don't know ho…

From my phone: I have Eteraz installed

Read and Write to the file system - required to allow storage of a small encrypted file which holds a unique ID, QR code, infection status, configuration parameters, and proximity data of other devices using the Application.

Not much more than a cookie.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Where do authorities ask for your phone? Just curious

It happens everywhere, from the developed countries to the far east. You have zero rights when crossing the border at immigration control, especially when your passport is weak or they believe you will not leave the country. They log into your IG and WhatsApp and check everything. Otherwise, they will deny entry. They made it legal. Sometimes a person has nothing to hide but nerves first time traveller and gets sucke…

I can recall getting a surprisingly intrusive investigation coming into Montreal as a tourist on an American passport in 2017.

Taking everything out of my luggage while I'm desperately trying to warn them that some of the socks are wrapped around a DSLR and lens I'm trying to protect from damage, fiddling through my phone camera (since there was nothing good on the new DSLR with like 40 photos of local insects). Evidently they were trying to find background evidence that my claimed objective-- visiting the Exporail museum-- was plausible. Who doesn't like trains (and it is, indeed, an excellent museum)? Fortunately, I had a photo of the Acela I took last year on my phone, and that seemed to satisfy them.

After all that, the agent chastised me because I followed my grandmother's advice and left CAD40 in the pocket of my suitcase in case I got my wallet stolen-- "It's very safe here". Is it safe here because you make random tourists feel like terrorists?

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Wouldn't an easy work-around be to get a cheap new Android phone? I assume you only have to install the apps on one device, if you take two; otherwise, just take the new one. I doubt that the expense would be an issue for somebody attending the World Cup. It seems like this would be good practice these days for any international travel.

How many people are even aware that there is a problem, and among those, how is it realistic and reasonable to expect them to simply "buy a new phone and create a new burner google account (if you use your own you defeat the purpose)"?

Then they can install the apps, blissfully unaware, and suffer the consequences, if any.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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" It's absolutely valid to point out immoral doings of the very people who are doing the accusations." What has this parent done that makes them ineligible to criticize others?

not the parent, but the others who responded with "whataboutism". Holding one accountable to the same standards that he holds others accountable isn't wrong. I refuse to take anyone who raises the bogey of "whataboutism" seriously. It has the same validity as someone responding to an argument that it's wrong to make that argument at this time of the day.

Whataboutism isn't pointing out a contradiction or hypocrisy.

It's a method of deflection.

"Whataboutism' is a rhetorical device that involves accusing others of offenses as a way of deflecting attention from one's own deeds."

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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not the parent, but the others who responded with "whataboutism". Holding one accountable to the same standards that he holds others accountable isn't wrong. I refuse to take anyone who raises the bogey of "whataboutism" seriously. It has the same validity as someone responding to an argument that it's wrong to make that argument at this time of the day.

Whataboutism isn't pointing out a contradiction or hypocrisy. It's a method of deflection. "Whataboutism' is a rhetorical device that involves accusing others of offenses as a way of deflecting attention from one's own deeds."

This is the motte-and-bailey fallacy. When people cry whataboutism, it is because the person they're crying it at pointed out their hypocrisy. Then when they get called out on it, they fall back to saying it's a method of deflection.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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You would be surprise to know the reality, and people are happily living in Qatar, gay or not gay. I wouldn't worry about it.

I would be surprised because it isn't true.

I know people living in Qatar :) Being gay is not the only thing in a person's life.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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I think laws against being gay are wrong, but I have to disagree with your argument that they are laws against existing. You can be gay "inside" but never act on it. That should suffice for you to not get "punished".

Besides the fact that these are terrible conditions for a population to live under, I'm not sure you realise how gay people can be perceived and persecuted in these countries, for those visiting for the world cup I can imagine a lot of problem scenarios. A couple might try to stay at a hotel in a room together, but because they are both men it could suddenly become a serious problem. Maybe they aren't even a couple a…

I don't know how it is in Qatar, but I've been to Russia with 2 other men (all heterosexual) and we stayed in the same room which had only one king-sized bed and a separate, single bed. Two of the guys slept on the king-sized bed (which was big enough for them to not get too close for comfort) but I suppose a gay couple would've been quite happy with the arrangement. No on asked us if we were a gay triangle or something... the hotel was very luxurious so that's all we could afford with the company credit card :D. I am mentioning this because I believe Russia has laws "against gays" similar to Qatar (not sure how similar) but the laws, at least in theory, are about "promoting homosexuality" or something on those lines... I think being openly gay itself is not a crime except in very few, extremely relegious countries, and it's only when you're seen as promoting your lifestyle to others that it becomes unacceptable to them (and I suspect a lot of people in the West would actually agree with that). I suspect, however, that you're right you may get into trouble if you display affection to same-sex partners in public in Qatar... but that may be harder than you think given how in many muslim countries, it's common for men to kiss each other in the cheek... I guess that with some care, you may be seen just as unusually close friends.
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