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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by nottorp »

Tomte wrote: post #201
nottorp wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing they used some framework and the libraries they used ask for a broad set of permissions because they offer access to their functions. But they're not necessarily used. Also considering they're asking for a permission for a protocol that was shut down 7 years ago, the framework must be quite old. Android permissions were less granular back then. I know someone in Germany and their covid tracking app tells…

It only tells you on which day you had "one" or "multiple" contacts with "low" or "high" risk. It's Bluetooth based, and the CoronaWarnApp doesn't even access location data. See https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/themen/corona-warn-ap... "Data which can make a person identifiable, in particular location data, is not selected, used or stored."

Hmm. Maybe my friend knew exactly where he was then.

Too bad I can't edit the original comment any more.

Never trust friends :)

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by nottorp »

wartijn_ wrote: post #203
nottorp wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing they used some framework and the libraries they used ask for a broad set of permissions because they offer access to their functions. But they're not necessarily used. Also considering they're asking for a permission for a protocol that was shut down 7 years ago, the framework must be quite old. Android permissions were less granular back then. I know someone in Germany and their covid tracking app tells…

> Also considering they're asking for a permission for a protocol that was shut down 7 years ago, the framework must be quite old. Android permissions were less granular back then. That’s not how PlayStore permissions work. You have to target a certain Android version to release update apps and that version dictates how permissions work. You can’t get around those requirements by using an old framework.

Yeah, but old framework needed one permission that split into 3. Now it asks for all 3 permissions because they didn't hold to think that they only need 2 of them, and even those not always.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by poorlyknit »

_int3_ wrote: post #183

This is really not about you "giving keys to your house" to Qatar. You already given keys of your house to Google and other parties, now they own your house and they don't like sharing it with Qatar.

Well nobody coerces you to use Google stuff or buy an Alexa etc.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by wartijn_ »

nottorp wrote: post #222
wartijn_ wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also considering they're asking for a permission for a protocol that was shut down 7 years ago, the framework must be quite old. Android permissions were less granular back then. That’s not how PlayStore permissions work. You have to target a certain Android version to release update apps and that version dictates how permissions work. You can’t get around those requirements by using an old framework.

Yeah, but old framework needed one permission that split into 3. Now it asks for all 3 permissions because they didn't hold to think that they only need 2 of them, and even those not always.

Ah of course, I didn't think about that.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by potatototoo99 »

sofixa wrote: post #173
nottorp wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing they used some framework and the libraries they used ask for a broad set of permissions because they offer access to their functions. But they're not necessarily used. Also considering they're asking for a permission for a protocol that was shut down 7 years ago, the framework must be quite old. Android permissions were less granular back then. I know someone in Germany and their covid tracking app tells…

> I know someone in Germany and their covid tracking app tells you when and where you were close to someone who was last tested positive. So everyone does it the same way, recording location. Not sure about Germany, but in France the app doesn't track location. It tracks nearby devices (with Bluetooth, rotating identifiers frequently), and when one marks oneself as positive, it informs the central server of the ident…

I believe in android bluetooth requires some location permission, because it can be used to identify your location.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by _int3_ »

poorlyknit wrote: post #223
_int3_ wrote: post #183

This is really not about you "giving keys to your house" to Qatar. You already given keys of your house to Google and other parties, now they own your house and they don't like sharing it with Qatar.

Well nobody coerces you to use Google stuff or buy an Alexa etc.

In some cities (in western countries) you can't travel or do internet banking if you don't have the right app. Are you coerced? Yes you are. That is the same thing here. But you don't see "security experts" complaining.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by quetzthecoatl »

themitigating wrote: post #121
quetzthecoatl wrote: post #61

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he is right, but raising whataboutism isn't an argument. It's absolutely valid to point out immoral doings of the very people who are doing the accusations. Otherwise, it's a race to make the accusations and the first one wins - everyone else is whataboutism. You can easily see who came up with the inane whatboutism - the one who did a whole lot of crimes in the past, and wants to judge others now for similar crimes.

" It's absolutely valid to point out immoral doings of the very people who are doing the accusations." What has this parent done that makes them ineligible to criticize others?

not the parent, but the others who responded with "whataboutism". Holding one accountable to the same standards that he holds others accountable isn't wrong. I refuse to take anyone who raises the bogey of "whataboutism" seriously. It has the same validity as someone responding to an argument that it's wrong to make that argument at this time of the day.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by newsclues »

mhitza wrote: post #181
beAbU wrote: post #63

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Cut that by a factor of 10. If you need do be connected, but don't care about things like cameras or gaming specks, then I can get you an android phone for the equivalent of about $30. This is cheap enough to throw in the trash as you board for your flight home. Connectivity is a slightly larger problem. In some places you can get a prepaid SIM card for less than a dollar, other places need some form of registration.…

Good luck running even something as "simple" as slack on a $30 dollar Android phone. If new you usually want to throw in at least 150-250$ for an Android phone that doesn't run things with high latency, at least in my experience as a mid-range device user.

I was under the impression that you buy a cheap burner for whatever app is required and only use that phone for the required function and not put any content or connect services to it.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by andrepd »

incompatible wrote: post #25

Wouldn't an easy work-around be to get a cheap new Android phone? I assume you only have to install the apps on one device, if you take two; otherwise, just take the new one. I doubt that the expense would be an issue for somebody attending the World Cup. It seems like this would be good practice these days for any international travel.

How many people are even aware that there is a problem, and among those, how is it realistic and reasonable to expect them to simply "buy a new phone and create a new burner google account (if you use your own you defeat the purpose)"?
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