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The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’
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The nazis admitted they were inspired by socialism, nazism specifically had elements of class warfare. “goldfish brain” isn’t much of a response.
Nazis piggybacked on the popularity of socialist movements at the time, but the Nazis were explicitly not Marxist-inspired socialists, they say so themselves. According to them, they re-appropriated the word to redefine it to something else, an ideology opposed to socialism that was meant to empower the Volk[1]. According to the Nazis, Marxism, socialism and communism were Jewish conspiracies to weaken the Volk. They…
> they re-appropriated the word to redefine it to something else, an ideology opposed to socialism that was meant to empower the Volk
I was referring to the exact writing you reference, and it does not support the point that nazism reappropriated the word to mean something else.
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Well, the Arabic version of that same Wikipedia article provides the Hadeeth transmitter’s analysis of the Hadith regarding Al-‘Asmaa bint Marian, and the verdict that this hadeeth is fabricated (Mawdoo’). It simply isn’t true. Moreover, the language of the claimed poet - I’m an Arab - is far different from the language of the time, far from being poetic, and the statement claimed that Prophet Muhammad said has a ver…
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, the Arabic version of that same Wikipedia article provides the Hadeeth transmitter’s analysis of the Hadith regarding Al-‘Asmaa bint Marian, and the verdict that this hadeeth is fabricated (Mawdoo’). It simply isn’t true. Moreover, the language of the claimed poet - I’m an Arab - is far different from the language of the time, far from being poetic, and the statement claimed that Prophet Muhammad said has a ver…
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Tolerance for free speech that’s disruptive to social harmony and order is a distinctively western thing. East Asians aren’t big fans either. Which is fine. We don’t all need to be the same.
That’s ridiculous. I hope you experience the other side of the coin, where you are contrary to social harmony, perhaps because of your race, romance, gender, class, etc. Just because evil is widespread doesn’t normalize it and make it ok. There are even lots of protests in China, but the dictatorships have always limited their spread, more so today.
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>Nowadays, lineage isn’t something that matters much. they call it "caste" in indian subcontinent and unlike what the indian hindu ideology is around their caste system, everyone assumes that islamic lineage taking is same as hindu caste division which is not it.
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Could you quote specific passages of the Guardian article that support the idea that they were interviewed under false pretenses? I just skimmed it a second time and nothing is jumping out to me as support for that idea.
This paragraph is where I inferred this, especially the second portion I'm putting down in the second > > Mohammed Al-Hamiri, one of the men featured in the film, told the Guardian that he wasn’t aware the film would be accessible internationally and only found out that it had been made available online after its showing at Sundance. “My life is already difficult but this film poses a serious threat to my life and th…
Sounds like a "he said she said" situation.
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>But if you do a documentary where you ask for your subjects' help, then you owe them something, and the least you can do is not exploit or spin their testimony to fit a specific point of view -- esp. a point of view they would discover after the fact. That's a betrayal. It sounds like you are saying that it's unethical to include interviews in a documentary unless the interviewee is on board with the message of the…
> Do you agree with the Sacklers in this hypothetical? Yes, I think I would. I think the proper behavior in that case would be to return to them after you decide they're the villains, and let them respond to that. If they chose not to, fine, you can go ahead with the original footage. But if they choose to answer your new questions, you should include those too.
Sounds like we may be more or less in agreement then -- my proposed solution was to have Sundance show the film and include an addendum from the subjects at the end https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33215012 (last paragraph)
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#210What's remarkable is that I can't imagine anything will happen to the activists behind the cancellation. They will lose no credibility. Have no drop in reputation. No public ridicule. They'll simply move on to the next target in the hopes that they will bend the knee with less resistance than Meg. Doing these cancellations is effectively risk-free, and only incurs the opportunity cost of not deploying time onto a hig…
Accusations are easy and can be made in seconds, a defense takes care and thought. See politicians lying impromptu, and journalists spending hours on debunking.
You might enjoy this then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law