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The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Well, the Arabic version of that same Wikipedia article provides the Hadeeth transmitter’s analysis of the Hadith regarding Al-‘Asmaa bint Marian, and the verdict that this hadeeth is fabricated (Mawdoo’). It simply isn’t true. Moreover, the language of the claimed poet - I’m an Arab - is far different from the language of the time, far from being poetic, and the statement claimed that Prophet Muhammad said has a ver…

Tolerance for free speech that’s disruptive to social harmony and order is a distinctively western thing. East Asians aren’t big fans either. Which is fine. We don’t all need to be the same.

That’s ridiculous. I hope you experience the other side of the coin, where you are contrary to social harmony, perhaps because of your race, romance, gender, class, etc. Just because evil is widespread doesn’t normalize it and make it ok. There are even lots of protests in China, but the dictatorships have always limited their spread, more so today.

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Well, the Arabic version of that same Wikipedia article provides the Hadeeth transmitter’s analysis of the Hadith regarding Al-‘Asmaa bint Marian, and the verdict that this hadeeth is fabricated (Mawdoo’). It simply isn’t true. Moreover, the language of the claimed poet - I’m an Arab - is far different from the language of the time, far from being poetic, and the statement claimed that Prophet Muhammad said has a ver…

"It is just that we, Arabs, are a radically different culture that values stability and tradition. Something of the sort of “People should mind their own business”. Free speech undermines both. It’s a significant cultural difference that the west has no intent to respect, because they regard it as oppressive." This is an interesting remark that gave me some new insight into Arabic culture. That said, free speech wasn…

That is true. The speed of how thought transmits and how notions are, for a lack of a better word, globalized is a great challenge for cultures that emphasize tradition. There is a passive agent in the dissolution of traditional cultures by means of “globalization”.

Language, size, politics (especially the more polarizing they are) and the availability of resources (labor, land, capital and the like) has a big impact on which “traditionalist culture” is a big part of what dictates the active agents of that transformation. Biden’s administration aimed at being an active agent (E.g., statements to make Saudi Arabia a pariah) but the circumstances are not allowing that at the moment. The Saudis are aware of this intention of active intervention, which is why they emphasized the notion of “Arabs are a different people from the west” during Biden’s visit.

Being conservative (in the actual sense, not the political connotation) in the presence of the internet and the huge mass of consumable media - that is biased from a conservative perspective - is a challenge indeed.

Turkey seems to be embracing the inherent chaos easily, and I suppose that’s due to the presence of some Sufism that allows a great deal of tolerance (although, as an Arab Salafi so-called Wahhabi, that tolerance comes with a great deal of blasphemy, like worshipping by Mawlawi dancing, Rumi’s and Ibn Arabia’s spiritual pantheistic Wujood notion). That makes it similar that’s akin to Buddhism in how easy for it to spread. I heard of a Turkish Dervish creating some sort of a “Western Sufi Order” where dance moves are taught. But again, I’m not Turkish so my perception might be incorrect or misinformed. Would be interested to learn more!

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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The nazis admitted they were inspired by socialism, nazism specifically had elements of class warfare. “goldfish brain” isn’t much of a response.

Nazis piggybacked on the popularity of socialist movements at the time, but the Nazis were explicitly not Marxist-inspired socialists, they say so themselves. According to them, they re-appropriated the word to redefine it to something else, an ideology opposed to socialism that was meant to empower the Volk[1].

According to the Nazis, Marxism, socialism and communism were Jewish conspiracies to weaken the Volk. They chose to redefine the popular term so that it is explicitly divorced from its Marxist origins to mean something else entirely. Marxist socialism is explicitly about workers owning the means of production, while Nazism exalts the Volk and seeks to restore the domination of the German people/Volk.

[1] https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/haken3...

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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>Nowadays, lineage isn’t something that matters much. they call it "caste" in indian subcontinent and unlike what the indian hindu ideology is around their caste system, everyone assumes that islamic lineage taking is same as hindu caste division which is not it.

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> Hinduism started with "a great war". Buddhism started with a war.

This is an interesting take on Hinduism and Buddhism. I am assuming you are referring to Great Wars of Ramayana and Mahabharata. Everyone participating in those was were the followers of Sanatan Dharma which is known as Hinduism today. Both wars weren't fought of religious ground. Buddhism started with Siddhartha noticing dukkha (pain) of life and leaving home to find solution.

What are your sources?

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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Tolerance for free speech that’s disruptive to social harmony and order is a distinctively western thing. East Asians aren’t big fans either. Which is fine. We don’t all need to be the same.

That’s ridiculous. I hope you experience the other side of the coin, where you are contrary to social harmony, perhaps because of your race, romance, gender, class, etc. Just because evil is widespread doesn’t normalize it and make it ok. There are even lots of protests in China, but the dictatorships have always limited their spread, more so today.

As US is becoming less Europeanized, less Anglo, less liberal, through the large scale population replacement, you yourself will get to experience what it’s like to live in a society that values the liberal values much less than the people who founded and built this country.

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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"It is just that we, Arabs, are a radically different culture that values stability and tradition. Something of the sort of “People should mind their own business”. Free speech undermines both. It’s a significant cultural difference that the west has no intent to respect, because they regard it as oppressive." This is an interesting remark that gave me some new insight into Arabic culture. That said, free speech wasn…

That is true. The speed of how thought transmits and how notions are, for a lack of a better word, globalized is a great challenge for cultures that emphasize tradition. There is a passive agent in the dissolution of traditional cultures by means of “globalization”. Language, size, politics (especially the more polarizing they are) and the availability of resources (labor, land, capital and the like) has a big impact…

(Thanks for the info on the hadith. Informative.)

> pantheistic Wujood notion

I think that is a willful misrepresentation. "God is the light of the heavens and the earth". Possibly I can make pantheism out of that Quranic statement asserting truth.

Ibn Arabi's reading of Qur'an was exceptionally subtle. Do you know what he got out of that very familiar story of Abraham and his son to sacrifice? "You have believed the dream/vision" (37:105) His take on this sign completely floored me. He was reading at an entirely different level. A superior level, imho. Comparing what is generally understood from this story of Abraham (in 'orthodox' Judaism, Christianity and Islam) to what Ibn Arabi says it means, really highlights the difference between the legalistic and mystic approach to religion. But yes, Prophet did indeed choose 'milk' over 'water' and 'wine'. There is that. And Jesus chose water but showed how at the end during 'celebration of wedding' it turns into 'wine'. So some of us go straight for the 'wine'. It is unorthodox, but "blasphemy" is a matter for a specific Authority to determine. I personally think this is the root problem in the Umma ..

> [T]here is a passive agent in the dissolution of traditional cultures by means of “globalization”.

I agree with this and used to worry about it too, but there is (at least in my analysis) an element of 'conspiracy to social engineer the planet' involved. Further, can mankind even be made homogeneous, and, is a homogeneous mankind the inevitable end result of globalization?

Consider: "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you." (49:13)

So the verse concludes, as you probably know!, with "Indeed, Allah is All-Knowing, Fully-Informed".

It's funny. I was watching the other day a very amusing clip (on yt) of an interview of Stephen King on when he first met Stanley Kubrick (in course of making The Shining). And it starts off with King retelling how he got a call in the morning and it was Kubrick, and Kubrick starts off with "I think horror stories are ultimately rather optimistic". King asks, why? Kubrick says ~, because it implies an existence beyond our mortal life, and that's optimistic! King replies, but what about hell? (lol) And Kubrick says, I don't believe in hell. :)

Point being I feel optimistic that given that Allah is All-Knowing and Fully-Informed, then obviously it will end in sunshine, this "peoples and tribes" that God apparently wants to intermingle and get to "know one another".

/& Salaam

p.s. "know one another" seems to put some pressure on "traditional culture", don't you think? Change does occur after acquisition of knowledge, don't you agree?

Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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"It is just that we, Arabs, are a radically different culture that values stability and tradition. Something of the sort of “People should mind their own business”. Free speech undermines both. It’s a significant cultural difference that the west has no intent to respect, because they regard it as oppressive." This is an interesting remark that gave me some new insight into Arabic culture. That said, free speech wasn…

Free speech is necessity for democracy. Democracy is necessity for the movement of enlightenment and justice. Enlightenment and science based governance led to the technology revolution, medical understanding and productivity boost. Authorian societies will never be as productive productive and never be good source of innovation. If people wish to live according to tradition, conservatism and authorian rule it is ok,…

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Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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>Nowadays, lineage isn’t something that matters much. they call it "caste" in indian subcontinent and unlike what the indian hindu ideology is around their caste system, everyone assumes that islamic lineage taking is same as hindu caste division which is not it.

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Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’

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What's remarkable is that I can't imagine anything will happen to the activists behind the cancellation. They will lose no credibility. Have no drop in reputation. No public ridicule. They'll simply move on to the next target in the hopes that they will bend the knee with less resistance than Meg. Doing these cancellations is effectively risk-free, and only incurs the opportunity cost of not deploying time onto a hig…

Accusations are easy and can be made in seconds, a defense takes care and thought. See politicians lying impromptu, and journalists spending hours on debunking.
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