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Totally fair. The whole playing records backwards trolling for audio that might sound like satanic verses, whatever that means, comes to mind.
> The whole playing records backwards trolling for audio that might sound like satanic verses, whatever that means On the other hand, these claims turned out to be excellent marketing for those records.
The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’
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Well, the Arabic version of that same Wikipedia article provides the Hadeeth transmitter’s analysis of the Hadith regarding Al-‘Asmaa bint Marian, and the verdict that this hadeeth is fabricated (Mawdoo’). It simply isn’t true. Moreover, the language of the claimed poet - I’m an Arab - is far different from the language of the time, far from being poetic, and the statement claimed that Prophet Muhammad said has a ver…
This is an interesting remark that gave me some new insight into Arabic culture.
That said, free speech wasn't a value in much of the West either, much less in places like Taiwan that are now democratic. Most of Europe was pretty conservative in the 19th century and the revolutionaries who fought for liberal values were mostly educated city folk, a smallish class.
The value of free speech is in the fact that it prevents the country from committing some serious mistakes, or at least reduces chances thereof. Authoritarian systems look awesome from the outside, while democracies with their free speech are obviously messy and chaotic. But in the long run, authoritarian systems tend to commit fatal mistakes like going into an all-out war that they lose (it is happening right in front of us in Ukraine), because no one dared defy the Emperor.
The stability of yesteryear is now gone. With the Internet, any idea can reach any audience in milliseconds, and Arab societies, like those conservative European societies earlier, will have to live with the inherent chaos. IDK what is means for the future of Islam; Christianity in Europe has already collapsed or is (demographically) collapsing. Even in former strongholds like Poland, the majority of young people are no longer religious and this trend, once it sets in, has proven almost impossible to reverse.
I noticed the same trend among youngsters in Turkey, though Turkey isn't an Arab country; but it is an important trendsetter in the Islamic world.
Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’
#123This framing of protest as "cancellation" in the context of supporting free speech is something I find perculiar. Surely protest is speech? If that is the case then if you support free speech you must logically support both the right to the original speech and the right of others to protest that speech. When people say that people signed a letter denouncing the documentary without seeing it that's a little bit wide o…
"Withdraw the movie from the program and defund it," is a call for hostile action. Not as bad as "burn the director at stake", but still. I don't think it should be illegal to call for such measures, but it should be considered deeply shameful, on the level of advocating for slavery or torture.
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#124> The “authorship” or “inclusion” principle, as this is known, insists that filmmakers share the ethnic and cultural identity of their subjects. According to these standards, not only are outsiders incapable of understanding the experiences of others, they don’t even have the right to try; to do otherwise would be to take an opportunity away from a better-qualified person of color. As a white American, Smaker would b…
I disagree with this principle.
It is just a new mutated form of the plain old racism and we should probably call it neo-racism.
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#125Good for her in the end, though. The National Review and NYT both wrote articles about her film. I'd not know about it had her film gotten cancelled.
A great encapsulation of how 'cancel culture' means absolutely nothing. This film was 'cancelled' and that's why it was written up in two publications with national audiences.
AFAIK the movie is still in red because of all the cancelled festival screenings - a major problem for the director who isn't wealthy.
Re: The Cancellation of ‘Jihad Rehab’
#126This framing of protest as "cancellation" in the context of supporting free speech is something I find perculiar. Surely protest is speech? If that is the case then if you support free speech you must logically support both the right to the original speech and the right of others to protest that speech. When people say that people signed a letter denouncing the documentary without seeing it that's a little bit wide o…
E.g. we're not talking about holding signs at the conference. We're talking about calling translators who worked on the movie, and telling them "denounce this film or we will make sure you never get another arab translation job again".
Not all speech is equivalent. Speech which is arranging a hit job is not protected free speech. Speech which is fraud is not free speech.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, the Arabic version of that same Wikipedia article provides the Hadeeth transmitter’s analysis of the Hadith regarding Al-‘Asmaa bint Marian, and the verdict that this hadeeth is fabricated (Mawdoo’). It simply isn’t true. Moreover, the language of the claimed poet - I’m an Arab - is far different from the language of the time, far from being poetic, and the statement claimed that Prophet Muhammad said has a ver…
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, the Arabic version of that same Wikipedia article provides the Hadeeth transmitter’s analysis of the Hadith regarding Al-‘Asmaa bint Marian, and the verdict that this hadeeth is fabricated (Mawdoo’). It simply isn’t true. Moreover, the language of the claimed poet - I’m an Arab - is far different from the language of the time, far from being poetic, and the statement claimed that Prophet Muhammad said has a ver…
"It is just that we, Arabs, are a radically different culture that values stability and tradition. Something of the sort of “People should mind their own business”. Free speech undermines both. It’s a significant cultural difference that the west has no intent to respect, because they regard it as oppressive." This is an interesting remark that gave me some new insight into Arabic culture. That said, free speech wasn…
Authorian societies will never be as productive productive and never be good source of innovation. If people wish to live according to tradition, conservatism and authorian rule it is ok, but it is unlikely they will ever catch Western democracies in quality of life.
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The censors' safe play is also well known: Introduce mandatory "what did the author mean" classes in schools, where children write down the one true interpretation of a corpus of sanctioned texts from preferably >100 years ago, under dictation, for many years; until they are completely incapable of approaching a work of art to understand it for themselves. It's not 100% effective, but the remaining few percent end up…
I hope this is a metaphor as well...
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Identity politics in this context involves something different. Chehab is using her Muslim identity to jockey for position in white-dominated spaces and gain access to platforms controlled by white people.