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Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

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Re: Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

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Have you noticed that lately there has been a symphony of media news to bash everything related to green energy, including EVs, self driving cars, batteries and so on?

It feels like we are getting brainstormed to induce us to remove investments in this sector so that others can get in at a much lower entry point.

Is it just in my head?

Re: Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

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WHY is a fully autonomous vehicle even interesting to pursue, given that wheeled vehicles and their infrastructural requirements are such a large expense and social and environmental problem relative to the benefits provided? I mean, out of all the moonshots, why die on this particular hill? I consider an actual hyperloop to be a much more compelling vision for the future: those pneumatic tubes the banks use in subur…

Because the current generation of VCs watched Knight Rider as a child?

Re: Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

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> In fact, no one has come close to making an AV Correct me if im wrong, but Honda has done this? https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35729591/honda-legend-lev... https://global.honda/newsroom/news/2021/4210304eng-legend.ht... Toyota: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-08-02/toyota... And Cruise: https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1132494_cruise-opens-up-... I don't really see how this all qualifies as "…

AV is basically level 4 or 5 in the SAE classification ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car ). And those vehicles are either not existing yet (i.e. just marketing ploys), or far from it (requiring remote drivers, for example), or just research prototypes that have not been really tried at scale.

Cruise has robo-taxis operating in San Francisco [1].

Obviously we don't know to what extent they have remote drivers but you wouldn't be able to run such a service if every ride required them.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP1rvCYiruh4SDHyPqcxlJw

Re: Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

#114

WHY is a fully autonomous vehicle even interesting to pursue, given that wheeled vehicles and their infrastructural requirements are such a large expense and social and environmental problem relative to the benefits provided? I mean, out of all the moonshots, why die on this particular hill? I consider an actual hyperloop to be a much more compelling vision for the future: those pneumatic tubes the banks use in subur…

People in the US will absolutely die on a hill for their car. Companies will invest endless amounts of money to convince you cars are the future, their infrastructure isn’t wasteful, and they’re good for the environment. People buy into this because it fits their existing lifestyle.

Funny thing is, with self driving cars we can actually own less cars as you can just hail them. More convenient and less waste.

Re: Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

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$100B is not that much when you compare it to the value self-driving cars will create. There are over 1 billion cars on the road which need humans to drive them. How much are they used? I don't know. Let's say one ride per day. When cars turn into a service business, the "driver" will be software. What will be paid to the driver? Let's say $1 per ride. That is 1B * $1 * 365 = $365B per year. Give that a p/e ratio of…

Are you interested in investing in my lead into gold startup? Just think of the value it will create.

Re: Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

#116

Have you noticed that lately there has been a symphony of media news to bash everything related to green energy, including EVs, self driving cars, batteries and so on? It feels like we are getting brainstormed to induce us to remove investments in this sector so that others can get in at a much lower entry point. Is it just in my head?

What does self-driving have to do with any of the other things though? Whether there's a human behind the wheel of an EV or an algorithm doesn't make any difference for climate change. If anything, the money wasted on self-driving could have gone into more pragmatic goals.

Re: Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

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It seems like some metrics and well named domains might help with this. There are different levels of driving challenge and self driving cars can handle some of the most basic challenges already. Cars are used for all kinds of tasks in all kinds of places, but currently self driving cars are making a significant impact on taxi services in some big cities. All of that is limited and should be noted as such, but having mastered many of the basics and now offering taxi service in many areas it is clear that self driving cars have made and continue to make progress which is very different from the "going nowhere" this clickbait article claims.

Re: Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

#118

We already have self driving cars. We call it public transport.

The idea is to have private transportation, some of us like the peace and quiet.

That "peace and quiet" is only for car owners though, not so much for pedestrians.

Re: Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teslas, despite the ludicrous promises of "full self-driving in 6 months, just you wait", completely choke if there is so much as a traffic cone or a road-work barrier for it go around.

Tesla doesn't come anywhere close to having the sensor suite or compute to be taken seriously as a developer of level 4 autonomy.

What sensor suite is that?

Re: Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

#120

We already have self driving cars. We call it public transport.

The idea is to have private transportation, some of us like the peace and quiet.

If you like private transport, then you should be doing whatever you can to get as many people as possible to use public transport so there’s less traffic on the road for you.
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