Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

Driving of cars is a massive cooperative game with high stakes, and autonomous cars essentially need AGI in order to play to a degree that is safer than a human with other humans. Fully autonomous cars would be sick, but IMO you'd need massive infrastructure changes (realistically restricted to cities/urbanized areas) if you want autonomous cars to work with anything less than AGI. Until companies start pursuing that, they are actually unknowingly using all that money to push for AGI and obviously coming up short because they don't even understand what they are trying to do.

Re: Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

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Post by Reventlov » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 9:41 AM UTC

leksak wrote: post #3

Did not expect Doctorow to be posting on Medium. I wonder what my biases are.

He is posting it everywhere: twitter, medium, […], but, as usual, he posts it on his blog too ! https://pluralistic.net/2022/10/09/herbies-revenge/

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Post by smt88 » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 9:41 AM UTC

lionkor wrote: post #2

> In fact, no one has come close to making an AV Correct me if im wrong, but Honda has done this? https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35729591/honda-legend-lev... https://global.honda/newsroom/news/2021/4210304eng-legend.ht... Toyota: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-08-02/toyota... And Cruise: https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1132494_cruise-opens-up-... I don't really see how this all qualifies as "…

This is literally what the entire article is about.

Re: Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

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Post by smt88 » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 9:42 AM UTC

Reventlov wrote: post #5

leksak wrote: post #3

Did not expect Doctorow to be posting on Medium. I wonder what my biases are.

He is posting it everywhere: twitter, medium, […], but, as usual, he posts it on his blog too ! https://pluralistic.net/2022/10/09/herbies-revenge/

This is the better and canonical link then, in my opinion. Medium is not pleasant to use as a reader.

Re: Even after $100B, self-driving cars are going nowhere

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Post by Reventlov » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 9:44 AM UTC

lionkor wrote: post #2

> In fact, no one has come close to making an AV Correct me if im wrong, but Honda has done this? https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35729591/honda-legend-lev... https://global.honda/newsroom/news/2021/4210304eng-legend.ht... Toyota: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-08-02/toyota... And Cruise: https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1132494_cruise-opens-up-... I don't really see how this all qualifies as "…

AV is basically level 4 or 5 in the SAE classification ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car ). And those vehicles are either not existing yet (i.e. just marketing ploys), or far from it (requiring remote drivers, for example), or just research prototypes that have not been really tried at scale.

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 9:44 AM UTC

lionkor wrote: post #2

> In fact, no one has come close to making an AV Correct me if im wrong, but Honda has done this? https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35729591/honda-legend-lev... https://global.honda/newsroom/news/2021/4210304eng-legend.ht... Toyota: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2021-08-02/toyota... And Cruise: https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1132494_cruise-opens-up-... I don't really see how this all qualifies as "…

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Post by oplaadpunt » Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 9:53 AM UTC

case0x00 wrote: post #4

This article is kind of a wrapper for the linked bloomberg article, which is more interesting IMO. Driving of cars is a massive cooperative game with high stakes, and autonomous cars essentially need AGI in order to play to a degree that is safer than a human with other humans. Fully autonomous cars would be sick, but IMO you'd need massive infrastructure changes (realistically restricted to cities/urbanized areas) i…

I always imagined the future of self driving cars wouldn't lie in cities (except maybe some main ringroads or arterial roalds) but in highways. Just tell the computer to go to highway X exit Y, and from there the driver can drive the last few miles. Basically geofencing known 'sane' locations, which cuts down on the boring bits of driving significantly.