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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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What if you don’t have a smart phone? Or hell, what about one that’s 5+ years old? Are they just SoL?

what is SoL? > What if you don’t have a smart phone? Remember, that you want something from them (entering the country). They can refuse you if they don't like your old-fashioned lifestyle.

Sol is the star of the Solar system, the home system of the human species.

On a more serious note: “Shit/Sorry, Outta Luck!”

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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There is certainly an issue with people being required to install government apps.

And this is an interesting case of that but this is wildly overblown.

I don't have to go to the world cup, it'll actually be really hard to go. I'd have to be desperate or wildly rich.

But I do have to use several government apps on my phone even if just installing them for a brief period. That's the really issue.

Installing an app on a luxury holiday in Qatar is such an absurd complaint given indebted servants bordering on our right slavery died organising it.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Since Electronic Arts righteously dumped FIFA like a ton of rotten bricks, why don't they organise a football world cup instead? Less corruption money must mean more leftover for the players and staff involved. Also instead of some nebulous process for the host country selection, get game owners to vote, they're already very securely identified. The time to ride on the complete stink the air conditioned slave-labour…

No-one plays in the World Cup for the money.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"And in a country where e.g. homosexuality is illegal this kind of stuff presents additional dangers beyond compromising your privacy." What are the dangers if you respect the laws of that country? You are in danger in any country if you entry it with the intent of breaking the laws.

Is this website even moderated anymore? Every time I visit Hacker News it gets even more extremist.

Saying that you are better by respecting the laws is extremism? Since when?

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"And in a country where e.g. homosexuality is illegal this kind of stuff presents additional dangers beyond compromising your privacy." What are the dangers if you respect the laws of that country? You are in danger in any country if you entry it with the intent of breaking the laws.

laws that make simply existing illegal are dangerous by definition. not to mention greater dangers to society

I think laws against being gay are wrong, but I have to disagree with your argument that they are laws against existing. You can be gay "inside" but never act on it. That should suffice for you to not get "punished".

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Welp, great to know I can’t escape false equivalency attempts to dampen COVID as a threat even in an article about an extremely larger threat; I mean not to me, who cares, but Qatar World Cup sounds like you might need to be an important businessperson to be there… that needs their phone… and will forget they installed it. That shit cray.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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This is the reason that when I travel I carry two phones. One is the phone I actually use, and the other is the one I give to authorities when they ask for my phone. It is astonishing to me that not once have I ever been asked if I have a second phone. (It will be an interesting experiment to see if that happens now that I have posted this here.)

This probably gives you much better privacy than someone with just one phone, but I have read of people doing analysis where they identify phones that move together.

As always, it's a question of threat model, but if your opponent is a state, they definitely do this kind of thing.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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- Sir, you have to install this application, it's available on both iOS and the Google Play Store. - Do you have a Debian package? - I beg your pardon? - My Pinephone runs a modified version of Debian, the Universal Operating System. - ... What is that? - Oh fine. I'll settle for a Flatpack then. - I'm not sure I follow. -Does Qatar's Law require me to have an Android phone xor an iPhone? - No ... ? - Well your Law s…

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"And in a country where e.g. homosexuality is illegal this kind of stuff presents additional dangers beyond compromising your privacy." What are the dangers if you respect the laws of that country? You are in danger in any country if you entry it with the intent of breaking the laws.

Is this website even moderated anymore? Every time I visit Hacker News it gets even more extremist.

There are too many people here who care more about delivering what they think is a clever counterpoint, while being proud of denying the existence of 'soft' forms of intelligence, empathy and morality.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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At some point few years ago it became practically impossible to do any business in China from the outside without what's app (no idea why as allegedly its banned there). This is around the some time samsung had their "My Knox" feature on their S8 or S9 phone. This feature was like an isolated container for apps, an android equivalent of VM. The purpose was to place your banking and other critical apps there and the n…

Xiaomi have a similar feature, where only some specific combination of buttons/fingerprins would unlock the phone into the special mode containing the special apps (so more tailored for stuff you want to hide than the inverse).

Xiaomi isn’t a company I would trust these days.
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