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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by onethought »

colordrops wrote: post #68
fy20 wrote: post #15

This is really no different than what other countries do, e.g. US border officials extensively questioning foreigners or asking for usernames and passwords for social media. As a visitor you have to abide by the law of the country, which may be different from your own country, and whose interpretation may be stretched by border control at the point of entry. The only difference here is that they were able to build an…

Does being similar excuse it somehow? Behavior by customs at the US border is abhorrent as well.

Yes. I think it does excuse it. If the US does X and expects everyone to accept it. Then Country Y doing X is excused… how else could it be? Any other way leads to disadvantage of Country Y

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by Ekaros »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #47
kuboble wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even using a burner phone doesn't fix the situation if you're still required to have the said phone with you all the time and it can't be turned off, it tracks your location, other phones you meet with etc.

Linked to your ticket too!

What lovely world us all software developers have build. Everything online or as digital application on your phone. Maybe we should really have stopped at some point to think should we instead of could we...

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by onion2k »

DeathArrow wrote: post #30
fabian2k wrote: post #20

The permissions mentioned sound like someone that doesn't understand the permissions systems used by Android and iPhone tried to translate them. So this part of the article is almost useless as it is hard to figure out what permissions the app actually has. I don't understand the Android permissions system well enough here, but I would be especially curious about which API version this is targeting as I don't know ho…

"And in a country where e.g. homosexuality is illegal this kind of stuff presents additional dangers beyond compromising your privacy." What are the dangers if you respect the laws of that country? You are in danger in any country if you entry it with the intent of breaking the laws.

What are the dangers if you respect the laws of that country?

In order to do that you'd need to know the laws of the country because ignorance of the law is not a defence. I imagine very few football fans are reading up on Quatar's legal system. So, really, trying to stay within the law is probably very hard, especially if you go there with a set of Western values.

As a simple example, Qatar has law about "public morals" where showing too much skin is considered indecent, which technically means wearing shorts or your country's football shirt is a criminal offence. Are you suggesting football fans don't wear their team's shirt out of "respect for the country's laws"?

It's very unlikely that the Qatar authorities will enforce that law, but they certainly could use it as a basis to question someone. If they then find out that person is gay, or if that person can't prove they're not gay, then you're in very murky "respect the law" water.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by Ekaros »

basicplus2 wrote: post #98

Free countries should shut down all travel including airlines in and out of Qatar, and issue a travel warning. In fact this should have happened years ago.. https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/10/27/women-reportedly-subject... Otherwise, what do we believe in? what do we stand for? Do we truly only car about money?

Define free country? I'm curious what level of protection and freedom qualifies for that designation.

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Post by decaffjoe »

ghostDancer wrote: post #39

All the news about slavery and bad treatment of workers to build the infrastructures and silencing or minimizing by western press and now this. No surprise when you organize a thing like the Football World Cup in a dictatorship like Qatar in exchange for money this is you can expect. Just let's hope it does not get used as a backdoor by other with even worse intentions.

Just to emphasize your point, we're talking about a death toll of 6k+ people to build these stadiums. What a stain on fifa, football and worldwide respect for human rights to say the least.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/r...

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Post by swexbe »

AaronFriel wrote: post #94
Asraelite wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I suspect you're not as much for gay rights as some people if you're going to moral relativism state sponsored murder of minority groups.

This is moral chauvinism

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Post by throwaway4736 »

Gatsky wrote: post #110

I really would like to know how Qatar got the World Cup… it can’t have been legitimate, it’s just got so many obvious disadvantages… For example, it’s too hot to host it in summer as usual, so it’s in the northern hemisphere winter, which interrupts all the leagues.

I’m sure you already know the answer.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by themitigating »

Ekaros wrote: post #95
xboxnolifes wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

decrying whataboutism is starting to just look like deflection. Calling out hypocrisy is not whataboutism.

It is. I could see point if the people from USA seriously cleaned their own house before attacking others. Anything else comes out just as malicious. Maybe they should start with privacy for everyone and getting rid of slavery...

What if this person is 16 and can't vote. How is he responsible for the acts of the US government?

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Post by InCityDreams »

Gatsky wrote: post #110

I really would like to know how Qatar got the World Cup… it can’t have been legitimate, it’s just got so many obvious disadvantages… For example, it’s too hot to host it in summer as usual, so it’s in the northern hemisphere winter, which interrupts all the leagues.

...there's this thing called 'the dollar'.
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