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Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

what is with you people thinking like nothing else other than Apple products exist?

> what is with you people thinking like nothing else other than Apple products exist? I was addressing the specific claim that “everyone” had to give these permissions.

Can they ask for read/write permissions on dozens of folders?

I have no idea I never got interested in iphones.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

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This is really no different than what other countries do, e.g. US border officials extensively questioning foreigners or asking for usernames and passwords for social media. As a visitor you have to abide by the law of the country, which may be different from your own country, and whose interpretation may be stretched by border control at the point of entry. The only difference here is that they were able to build an…

> The only difference here is that they were able to build an app to do all the tracking in plain sight. I'm sure governments in the US and Europe would love to be able to force all visitors to install a similar app. Yet, we do not because unlike in Qatar, the UAE and other religious dictatorships, we are a democracy and we have the ability to change our government. You can do better than whatbouatism.

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Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#33
- Sir, you have to install this application, it's available on both iOS and the Google Play Store.

- Do you have a Debian package?

- I beg your pardon?

- My Pinephone runs a modified version of Debian, the Universal Operating System.

- ... What is that?

- Oh fine. I'll settle for a Flatpack then.

- I'm not sure I follow.

-Does Qatar's Law require me to have an Android phone xor an iPhone?

- No ... ?

- Well your Law specification is incomplete and buggy.

you get arrested for obstruction of justice

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only difference here is that they were able to build an app to do all the tracking in plain sight. I'm sure governments in the US and Europe would love to be able to force all visitors to install a similar app. Yet, we do not because unlike in Qatar, the UAE and other religious dictatorships, we are a democracy and we have the ability to change our government. You can do better than whatbouatism.

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There is no way to answer your trolling without a significant amount of sarcasm. Good day to you.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#35

> access to read, delete or change all content on the phone The article is pure fiction, as no app has any possibility of ever being granted those permissions on iOS. No such capability even exists for any app on an iPhone.

Can't you do this with an MDM device profile? In that case the device probably insists on the installation of the profile or it won't validate your tickets.

[edit]: so I did some brief research and it seems you can't. For the curious, here is what I think is the full list of possible MDM restrictions/permissions on iOS https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/deployment/dep0f7dd3d8...

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#36

Wouldn't an easy work-around be to get a cheap new Android phone? I assume you only have to install the apps on one device, if you take two; otherwise, just take the new one. I doubt that the expense would be an issue for somebody attending the World Cup. It seems like this would be good practice these days for any international travel.

I wonder if I can even find one technical sentence in the article that even makes sense. It is a total mess. There are so many “what about” questions here. What about people who don’t own/carry a smartphone? What about just denying all requested permissions? What about installing the apps then deleting them once you are in the stadium? Or as you say have a burner phone that you leave off? So silly.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#37

The permissions mentioned sound like someone that doesn't understand the permissions systems used by Android and iPhone tried to translate them. So this part of the article is almost useless as it is hard to figure out what permissions the app actually has. I don't understand the Android permissions system well enough here, but I would be especially curious about which API version this is targeting as I don't know ho…

"And in a country where e.g. homosexuality is illegal this kind of stuff presents additional dangers beyond compromising your privacy." What are the dangers if you respect the laws of that country? You are in danger in any country if you entry it with the intent of breaking the laws.

Some of the players must be homosexual? Should they not enter Qatar, and scrafice playing for their country in the World Cup? Should Fifa hold the world cup in a country when some of their players could be prosecuted because of their sexuality?

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#38

The permissions mentioned sound like someone that doesn't understand the permissions systems used by Android and iPhone tried to translate them. So this part of the article is almost useless as it is hard to figure out what permissions the app actually has. I don't understand the Android permissions system well enough here, but I would be especially curious about which API version this is targeting as I don't know ho…

"And in a country where e.g. homosexuality is illegal this kind of stuff presents additional dangers beyond compromising your privacy." What are the dangers if you respect the laws of that country? You are in danger in any country if you entry it with the intent of breaking the laws.

The danger is enabling them and normalizing these particular laws.

It's objectively wrong to punish people for being gay.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#39
All the news about slavery and bad treatment of workers to build the infrastructures and silencing or minimizing by western press and now this. No surprise when you organize a thing like the Football World Cup in a dictatorship like Qatar in exchange for money this is you can expect. Just let's hope it does not get used as a backdoor by other with even worse intentions.

Re: Everyone going to World Cup must have this app, experts are sounding the alarm

#40
post #15

This is really no different than what other countries do, e.g. US border officials extensively questioning foreigners or asking for usernames and passwords for social media. As a visitor you have to abide by the law of the country, which may be different from your own country, and whose interpretation may be stretched by border control at the point of entry. The only difference here is that they were able to build an…

> The only difference here is that they were able to build an app to do all the tracking in plain sight. I'm sure governments in the US and Europe would love to be able to force all visitors to install a similar app. Yet, we do not because unlike in Qatar, the UAE and other religious dictatorships, we are a democracy and we have the ability to change our government. You can do better than whatbouatism.

"It's okay when we commit the same immoral acts that authoritarians commit because we're a democracy"

American democracy commits heinous crimes across the world. Being a democracy doesn't absolve them of the moral degeneracy.

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