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Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by hotpotamus »

CodeSgt wrote: post #190
hotpotamus wrote: post #186

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They say the love of a child is priceless. You might think that priceless means worthless, but others can disagree; in a sense I agree with you that it's quite difficult to nail down. Perhaps the lesson is that one should be careful when doing intangible harm to others?

That seems like the definition of a slippery slope, and not the fallacy. How do you ever quantify "intangible harm". If I make a YouTube video and call a bunch of people peepee poopoo heads and they actually experience genuine emotional trauma from such an abhorrent act, am I then liable for paying them hundreds of millions? I'm not saying that emotional damage isn't very real and devastating, but it's certainly not…

> How do you ever quantify "intangible harm"

You get a jury together and they decide. You (and Alex Jones) may not like it, but it's a well established system at this point.

I am not a lawyer, but I suspect if you asked one about your plan to go on YouTube and insult people, they'd advise against it. For one thing, YouTube might see it as a violation of their terms of service, and for another thing, you might be opening yourself up to litigation, which even if you won, could still be expensive.

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Post by jhauris »

CodeSgt wrote: post #193
ncmncm wrote: post #156

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You charge enough to discourage the behavior. Evidently, a smaller amount did not suffice.

Yes. Don't say things that the public disagrees with. Don't question what you're told. That's the lesson. Of course I think the Sandy Hook shooting was real, but if someone said it wasn't I'd just think they're an idiot - not a criminal that should be tried in any court.

He wasn't tried as a criminal. This was a civil case between private individuals, under defamation laws. Withholding evidence and perjury, however, are actual crimes.

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Post by Kukumber »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #195
Kukumber wrote: post #189

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So you're factual, but dmix is driven by emotion? And not just dmix, but this site in general? But you can't bother to share the facts, other than "go read the talmud"? (In a discussion about the Turkish Coup???) If you want anyone here to take you seriously, you have to do better than that. We don't listen to arguments like that, and it's not because we're driven by emotion. It's because your argument is incoherent.…

> Your last post here also is coming very close to personal attack, which is against the site rules.

That wasn't my intention, i apologize if that's how you felt about my last comment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ott...

https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1021717143967227904

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/ukraine-zelensky-says-isr...

I encourage to read more about history to get educated about the matter (no offense), because there appear to be some misunderstanding from your part

My opinion on the conflicts in the Middle East doesn't matter, and my opinion on modern Ottoman's and Greater Israel ambitions also doesn't matter if that's what you expect me to provide

I react to a news article posted on this website, and i provide data and context to the people reading it, so i can help spread knowledge about the matter, that's it

If you need more context, or you still misunderstand my comments, please let me know wich ones exactly, with quotes so i can hopefully help clear any misunderstanding

> So you're factual, but dmix is driven by emotion? And not just dmix, but this site in general? But you can't bother to share the facts, other than "go read the talmud"? (In a discussion about the Turkish Coup???)

If you read the talmud, that'll help you have a better understanding of the situation with Iran, Turkey and Russia

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Post by skissane »

enraged_camel wrote: post #200
skissane wrote: post #183

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You absolutely can expel a country from NATO - just get all the other member states to agree on it, it will happen. People will say that “there is no provision in the NATO Charter to expel a member”-but that doesn’t actually matter. If all the other member states agree on it, the secretary-general will implement the decision. If the expelled state wants to claim that is illegal-there is no court with jurisdiction to…

>> You absolutely can expel a country from NATO - just get all the other member states to agree on it, it will happen. No, this isn’t a thing, because it would destroy NATO.

Why would it? If one of the NATO member states did something which was radically inconsistent with NATO’s values - such as invade a fellow NATO member, commit genocide, wantonly proliferate nuclear weapons, etc - to fail to expel them would destroy NATO.

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Post by Kukumber »

dmix wrote: post #172
Kukumber wrote: post #169

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I don't care what's good what's bad, i'm just making an observation and i share my knowledge The "one sided" mindset in the west is tasteless and boring

One side of what?

Of history, about the current events in the Middle East

If you read the talmud, that'll help you have a better understanding of the current situation with Iran, Turkey and Russia

I can't make a summary of that book since it's way too big; quoting it could lead to misinterpretations so it's better if you just read it by yourself

And if you have more free time, you should read about the French Revolution and how Europe came to be

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Post by Kukumber »

dang wrote: post #199
Kukumber wrote: post #173

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments? You've been doing it repeatedly, unfortunately. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

I apologies, I'll be more careful in the future

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Post by cr4nberry »

orwin wrote: post #182
cr4nberry wrote: post #170

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The authoritarianism won't come from the government, it will come from the people around you. It's honestly terrifying how fast the media whipped up the craziness a year or two ago. It makes me wonder how much harder they shilled to shame people into the military during wartime. I remember reading Céline's Journey to the End of the Night and getting disgusted at how the state and media managed to screw that many peop…

> The authoritarianism won't come from the government, it will come from the people around you. Exactly. If it wasn't for those cop shows, the government would be more critical of them. Media and pop culture seems to be the driver for any societal change. Even for Covid vaccine obligation the idea came from the media first (i'm not antivax or anything, i am also pro vaccinal obligation for public schools to be clear,…

Vaccine obligation is less of an issue for me than the actual social dynamic at play. What bothers me most is every TV channel, every news site, all of social media telling people to think the same thing, do the same thing, and attack anyone who disagrees like a bunch of white blood cells

Not only this, but the sort of sadistic, authoritarian tendency that this brings out in people. I can only imagine how much more extreme this is when a country is trying to send people off to war.

I don't think the problem is private ownership, I think it's herd mentality. For some reason whenever people get into groups they get way more aggressive. I remember reading Freud's little book on group dynamics and minus the Oedipal BS it rings entirely true to how people are

Just look at past historical examples, e.g. the Salem witch trials, slavery, the Holocaust, any genocide period. If people are capable of doing this, who's to say they won't do it again? We're just supposed to assume that today's society has moved passed all of this and give the status quo the benefit of the doubt? I'd rather not

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Post by dang »

Kukumber wrote: post #206
dang wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments? You've been doing it repeatedly, unfortunately. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

I apologies, I'll be more careful in the future

Appreciated!

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Post by orwin »

cr4nberry wrote: post #207
orwin wrote: post #182

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> The authoritarianism won't come from the government, it will come from the people around you. Exactly. If it wasn't for those cop shows, the government would be more critical of them. Media and pop culture seems to be the driver for any societal change. Even for Covid vaccine obligation the idea came from the media first (i'm not antivax or anything, i am also pro vaccinal obligation for public schools to be clear,…

Vaccine obligation is less of an issue for me than the actual social dynamic at play. What bothers me most is every TV channel, every news site, all of social media telling people to think the same thing, do the same thing, and attack anyone who disagrees like a bunch of white blood cells Not only this, but the sort of sadistic, authoritarian tendency that this brings out in people. I can only imagine how much more e…

No, the issue is mass media. Private ownership of mass media just allows moguls to dictate their ideology to the mass. Slavery and holocaust are very, very good example of what happens once this ideology is dictated.

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Post by ccn0p »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #102
ccn0p wrote: post #38

I see a lot of people critical of Turkey... and I agree. But the US is not too far away. See AB-2098 in California just signed by governor / likely presidential nominee Gavin Newson [1] which basically gives the state the ability to revoke medical licenses for spreading "false information that is contradicted by contemporary scientific contrary to the standard of care" (in other words, go against the CDC or other sta…

Yet California allows religious exemptions for vaccines. I wonder what “contemporary scientific consensus“ that falls under. For the record, I think non medical exemptions for mandatory vaccines are nonsense.

Are you sure about that?

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml...

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