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Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by CodeSgt »

caeril wrote: post #153
BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #64

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The whole situation with Alex Jones has undermined the confidence I have with our court system and our government. Initially I thought there was some Mandela Effect going on because I could have sworn I remembered Alex Jones losing a Sandy Hook civil suit case multiple times before. Turns out, he’s being sued multiple times by different sets of parents and from what I understand, this latest case isn’t the last one.…

> The whole situation with Alex Jones has undermined the confidence I have with our court system If it makes you feel any better, Purdue Pharma and the Sackler family was fined SIX TIMES more than Alex Jones. 800k people dead for $6B versus a dozen families' feelings hurt for $1B. Our court system recognizes that the value of a human life is $7.5K, but the value of precious feelings is $83MM. This seems pretty fair t…

I agree with you and upvoted you, but your choice of language was a bit strong and bordered on inflammatory. That could explain the downvotes I think.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by CodeSgt »

pjc50 wrote: post #144
CodeSgt wrote: post #45

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Yeah, this is especially an issue as certain forms of medical care gets politicized. If a doctor is obviously telling people that cigarettes are healthy and alcohol abuse if the key to a long life then of course they probably should have their license revoked. If a doctor isn't certain of the literature or has moral objections to prescribing hormones to trans teenagers, well that one is up for debate. Similarly see A…

He wasn't fined, he was held civilly liable for damages. Perhaps the problem is that the fine accrues only to him and his production company; really there were a lot of people involved in spreading lies about Sandy Hook, and their production and distribution. Or that US lawsuits can produce spectacular punitive damages numbers on flimsy justification. But winning libel suits is really unusual in the US! Here's Sarah…

It amount to the same thing when those "damages" are largely unquantifiable, and the quantifiable financial costs that were incurred by the families as a consequence (security, moving, etc) certainly couldn't have topped $10m, and were likely much, much less than that.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by CodeSgt »

ncmncm wrote: post #156
jhauris wrote: post #104

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I almost choked when I saw the headline with that judgement, and I haven't looked into it, but I suspect part of the reason it went so high is because he and his lawyers got caught withholding evidence in discovery and perjurying themselves. My optimistic belief is the high judgement was due to those extra factors, but maybe a lawyer can correct me.

You charge enough to discourage the behavior. Evidently, a smaller amount did not suffice.

Yes. Don't say things that the public disagrees with. Don't question what you're told. That's the lesson.

Of course I think the Sandy Hook shooting was real, but if someone said it wasn't I'd just think they're an idiot - not a criminal that should be tried in any court.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by CodeSgt »

Rapzid wrote: post #158
lesuorac wrote: post #85

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The basis of the lawsuit was defamation which is different than spreading disinformation. A lot of the legal documents can be found here [1] but I already know you aren't going to both yourself with the specifics of the case. The short version is, if somebody sues you, you need to go through the legal motions otherwise you lose by default and then their side is considered factual when determining damages regardless o…

It would be nice if people didn't barf their uninformed opinions all over HN with the excuse of, basically, "idk what I'm talking, come at me bro(with citations pls)". Then expect people to drip-feed them basic legal education. I guess doing some basic research on libel, defamation, punitive damages, and IDK.., the case at hand?, isn't contentious enough. Hard to get into an argument with Wikipedia.

Yeah sure, anyone who isn't an expert at the topic at hand should be barred from participating in any discussion about it.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

Kukumber wrote: post #189
dmix wrote: post #188

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Nothing is lamer than telling someone to read a book in order to understand their internet comment (let alone a religious text). But obviously you’re just dodging, stating an opinionated piece of information while pretending you’re just stating facts. Just be honest and say what you mean. I have a feeling it can be reduced to the usual “US is also bad” misdirection which is a favourite of Turkey (and China and Iran a…

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So you're factual, but dmix is driven by emotion? And not just dmix, but this site in general? But you can't bother to share the facts, other than "go read the talmud"? (In a discussion about the Turkish Coup???)

If you want anyone here to take you seriously, you have to do better than that. We don't listen to arguments like that, and it's not because we're driven by emotion. It's because your argument is incoherent.

Your last post here also is coming very close to personal attack, which is against the site rules.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by dang »

rayiner wrote: post #93
luckylion wrote: post #91

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Given that Erdogan's opponents are moderately conservative and liberals, they'll probably not do much to suppress him and his voters if they ever win an election again.

What are you talking about? The secularist moderates and liberals suppressed the Muslim majority for nearly a century. They repeatedly banned Islamist political parties. This is a Muslim majority country where headscarves were banned for decades.

Please make your substantive points without swipes. Your comment would be fine without that first bit.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by dang »

xkcd1963 wrote: post #76
Ekaros wrote: post #14

Isn't this what people want through the world? Control and ban fake news. Defined as what those currently in power think. Also, only three years? Isn't that very soft thinking how destructive fake news can be?

Are you a Chinese bot or something?

Posting like this will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by dang »

Ekaros wrote: post #17
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #4

Hold on.. not false statements, not defamation, not calls for violence… but “disinformation.” Except that we find out that many things were disinformation every day. My family is increasingly paranoid after the Pfizer executive said they never tested whether their vaccine prevented transmission to the EU a few days ago. Apparently that is not new information technically speaking, but it is so counter-narrative it bog…

I hope we will jail and permanently ban anyone who spread these lies about vaccines from social media and any public office. It is least we can do to fight against their crimes and the evil they did. As society we can't let these monsters go without consequences.

"Please don't fulminate."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by dang »

Kukumber wrote: post #173
dmix wrote: post #172

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One side of what?

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments? You've been doing it repeatedly, unfortunately. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Turkey adopts media law jailing for spreading ‘disinformation’

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Post by enraged_camel »

skissane wrote: post #183
enraged_camel wrote: post #79

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There is literally zero mechanisms for removing countries from NATO. They have to leave on their own accord (which they obviously won't do, since membership provides immense benefits).

You absolutely can expel a country from NATO - just get all the other member states to agree on it, it will happen. People will say that “there is no provision in the NATO Charter to expel a member”-but that doesn’t actually matter. If all the other member states agree on it, the secretary-general will implement the decision. If the expelled state wants to claim that is illegal-there is no court with jurisdiction to…

>> You absolutely can expel a country from NATO - just get all the other member states to agree on it, it will happen.

No, this isn’t a thing, because it would destroy NATO.

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