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Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Overfishing is a classic problem of "Tragedy of the Commons". The oceans are the commons. For example, nobody is predicting a catastrophic decline in the population of pigs, chickens, and cattle. Fish farming is the future.

I have large cognitive dissonance to "we shouldn't be the world police" and "globalism is bad." At face value I agree, but... If you believe in the rule of law and human rights, then globalism seems like a natural consequence, as does policing the world. What would happen if you let China have global hegemony and they become the over-fishing police? What type of enforcement do you think they might have (or non enforc…

> If you believe in the rule of law and human rights, then globalism seems like a natural consequence, as does policing the world.

You might ask, what problems is globalism going to solve that treaties and national cooperation can't today? More importantly, what will those mechanisms be and will they be just as vulnerable to the problems of corruption and interconnection that plague the meaningful enforcement of treaties and agreements today?

I haven't heard an actual appeal for structural "globalism" that answers these basic challenges.. as such, I mostly see it as a grift designed to remove democratic and republican control from the hands of individuals and cede them entirely to the technocratic machinations of the "new world order."

Recently, we did have a very globally similar response to a world wide event, and I'm not at all surprised that during that time the rich managed to make themselves much richer and the middle class has mostly taken the hit. If that's a hint to what "globalism" has to offer, you can keep it. We'll have to figure out the fishing problem some other way.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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How are you able to implicate the regulations here directly? The fishery collapsed 90% in 2 years, something else is at play.

said every fisherman ever. In the maritimes when the cod collapsed they blamed seals.

Pushing a species to the brink of extinction and then blaming whatever natural event dealt the fatal blow is standard for humans.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

#263

Overfishing is a classic problem of "Tragedy of the Commons". The oceans are the commons. For example, nobody is predicting a catastrophic decline in the population of pigs, chickens, and cattle. Fish farming is the future.

They often feed the fish in farms with wild fish... it's a joke, currently.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

#264

Overfishing is a classic problem of "Tragedy of the Commons". The oceans are the commons. For example, nobody is predicting a catastrophic decline in the population of pigs, chickens, and cattle. Fish farming is the future.

I have large cognitive dissonance to "we shouldn't be the world police" and "globalism is bad." At face value I agree, but... If you believe in the rule of law and human rights, then globalism seems like a natural consequence, as does policing the world. What would happen if you let China have global hegemony and they become the over-fishing police? What type of enforcement do you think they might have (or non enforc…

Unfortunately, as someone who the intelligence agency in my land said, ultimate power brings ultimate corruption. If there is no #2 then no one can police #1

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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I'm just curious what percentage of HN members diets is snow crab, and my point is snow crab isn't corn, wheat or chicken, and the only people this is going to affect are the snow crab fisherman, their families, and the economy of the towns in which they live and spend.

It's relevant to all of us because it's yet another data point regarding how we live on this planet and what it's doing to ecosystems.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

#266

Overfishing is a classic problem of "Tragedy of the Commons". The oceans are the commons. For example, nobody is predicting a catastrophic decline in the population of pigs, chickens, and cattle. Fish farming is the future.

I have large cognitive dissonance to "we shouldn't be the world police" and "globalism is bad." At face value I agree, but... If you believe in the rule of law and human rights, then globalism seems like a natural consequence, as does policing the world. What would happen if you let China have global hegemony and they become the over-fishing police? What type of enforcement do you think they might have (or non enforc…

Given its environmental record and susceptibility to lobbying, the US is not in a good position to police this issue.

Whether anyone is can be debated, but must there be only one sheriff?

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Fishmeal and oil are byproducts of processing the filets

They can’t feed the fish only parts of previous fish or they’d run out of material pretty fast - like a recycling center with no external inputs.

...byproducts of processing the wild filets. I'm saying I doubt they're catching wild fish for the purpose of selling them to fish farms. Of course, it improves profit and hence incentive

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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I have large cognitive dissonance to "we shouldn't be the world police" and "globalism is bad." At face value I agree, but... If you believe in the rule of law and human rights, then globalism seems like a natural consequence, as does policing the world. What would happen if you let China have global hegemony and they become the over-fishing police? What type of enforcement do you think they might have (or non enforc…

> If you believe in the rule of law and human rights, then globalism seems like a natural consequence, as does policing the world. You might ask, what problems is globalism going to solve that treaties and national cooperation can't today? More importantly, what will those mechanisms be and will they be just as vulnerable to the problems of corruption and interconnection that plague the meaningful enforcement of trea…

You might ask, what problems is globalism going to solve that treaties and national cooperation can't today? More importantly, what will those mechanisms be and will they be just as vulnerable to the problems of corruption and interconnection that plague the meaningful enforcement of treaties and agreements today?

The difference is, much as the same with a democratic nation.

In a democratic nation, citizens collectively elect representatives, and then laws are passed. Once in place, citizens are bound by those laws, and will be encouraged by various means ; fines, jail, etc, to obey that collective decision.

Now imagine if our democracy was "treaties are made with all citizens of the nation, but you don't have to agree or sign the treaty."

Succinctly put, treaties aren't something you can make another nation sign, and if signed due to force, really force them to comply with in their local area.

A global government however, could punish citizens of any country, should they fail to follow global laws passed.

That said, I am highly uncomfortable with the idea of a global government, because there is such a wide range of belief systems out there, some of them totalitarian, many of them non-democratic, many of them tied deeply to religion, and I don't think the outcome could last, or be pretty.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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If the world doesn't get over fossil fuel addiction and allowing oil companies to push us to near extinction for their profits, really soon, the worse is yet to come.

As much as I would like to end such an addiction, there aren't even viable replacements for every ICE yet. What do we do about aircraft, freight trucks, and sea vessels?

Stop using them so much?

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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These have flopped. Most people who like meat want real meat. Most people who don't like meat don't want fake meat. The remainder is the market for fake meats, and it has proven small.

They have not flopped. They are extremely popular among vegetarians. They flopped as "meat substitutes" because they are not in fact meat substitutes and never were. They are flavored soy protein. They are junk food. Absolutely nothing like lab-grown meat or any other kind of meat, in neither form nor function nor nutritional value.

Saying they’re absolutely nothing like meat in form or nutritional value doesn’t make sense to me - the Whopper and Impossible Whopper are basically the same item. An impossible patty has very similar fat/protein content to a beef (80/20) patty but with more carbohydrates (beef having none).

Impossible patties seem a legitimate meat substitute for those who choose to purchase them.

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