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Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by andy_andy_andy »

Maursault wrote: post #215

I'm just curious what percentage of HN members diets is snow crab, and my point is snow crab isn't corn, wheat or chicken, and the only people this is going to affect are the snow crab fisherman, their families, and the economy of the towns in which they live and spend.

i think the takeaway of the story isn't specifically that this season's snow crab season is cancelled, but that a population has collapsed because of some combination of climate change or overfishing. even if you don't eat crab it's bad news when 1 billion crabs go missing.

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Post by fwip »

logicalmonster wrote: post #132
vore wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me what other country the OP could possibly mean when they said "countries I dare not to list for being downvoted".

China seems like a logical guess, but that statement could describe Israel or other countries that have very passionate supporters as well.

Sure, if you think Israel is well known for overfishing in the Pacific Ocean?

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by ggm »

llbeansandrice wrote: post #198
cmsj wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah for sure. Lion could well be 10x more delicious than beef for all I know, but I'm quite certain we couldn't farm millions of lions.

Meat from carnivores tends to not be very good/tasty for a variety of reasons. iirc most of it is mainly due to the fact that other carnivores process meat similarly to how humans do so it's not as nutritious/tasty. Also many carnivores tend to also kind of be scavengers whose meat is generally quite quite bad.

It's a common trope to state bad input taints meat taste but I think it's unproven. I think it's more likely that apex diet concentration of complex organic molecules causes taste differences.

Feed pigs on acorns exclusively, yes you get a specific ?malic? Acid outcome in fat.

Feed sheep on seaweed, same with iodine. Corn vs grass fed beef, same.

But "predators eat trashy meat so their flesh is trashy" doesn't ring true. "Obligate carnivore predators in the feline family process meat differently, and emit proteins into their own flesh" may be a mouthful but it's where I am.

Think swordfish and mercury

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by ROTMetro »

naikrovek wrote: post #166
ROTMetro wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By 'rebound' do you mean slightly above such catastrophic depletion that action was finally taken? Kind of a low baseline.

it's crazy how you think you know more about this than the person who wrote the comment you replied to.

Ah yes, how dare I challenge a fisherman whose income is based on 'harvesting' from the ocean (imagine an entire industry the existed by going into national forests and harvesting whole herds of elk or flocks of birds, people wouldn't stand for it, but somehow fisherman are ok). I read through his previous comments, nothing indicates it is beyond the pale for me to ask he expand on this 'rebound'. He stated there was a rebound, I asked what 'rebound' means as he provided pretty nebulous information. Should I not be allowed to ask him to expand on his statement? Especially since he claims his 'rebound' allows him to call 'bullshit' on others.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by Maursault »

eclipxe wrote: post #217
Maursault wrote: post #215

I'm just curious what percentage of HN members diets is snow crab, and my point is snow crab isn't corn, wheat or chicken, and the only people this is going to affect are the snow crab fisherman, their families, and the economy of the towns in which they live and spend.

10% of mine

That seems like a lot. More than once a day? Or the only thing you eat every 10th day?

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Post by Tozen »

tromp wrote: post #100
ilamont wrote: post #4

Something similar happened to the cod fishing industry in Newfoundland and other parts of eastern Canada 30 years ago. The reason: overfishing, due in large part to technological advances. Here's what happened: Canada and NAFO continued to overestimate the abundance of cod in the Atlantic Ocean and therefore continued to set dangerously high [Total Allowable Catches]. This was in large part due to the widespread prac…

> to prevent economic losses and massive unemployment So sad to see how easily long term catastrophic damage is justified by short term gains.

If the world doesn't get over fossil fuel addiction and allowing oil companies to push us to near extinction for their profits, really soon, the worse is yet to come.

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Post by baskethead »

I mean is there any mystery here? It's China. China doesn't care about anything except for themselves.

Hundreds of Chinese fishing boats set up just outside of international waters in South America and fished everything in the area and brought it back to China. It's like a sick game of Age of Empires but millions of people are affected.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by Maursault »

andy_andy_andy wrote: post #221
Maursault wrote: post #215

I'm just curious what percentage of HN members diets is snow crab, and my point is snow crab isn't corn, wheat or chicken, and the only people this is going to affect are the snow crab fisherman, their families, and the economy of the towns in which they live and spend.

i think the takeaway of the story isn't specifically that this season's snow crab season is cancelled, but that a population has collapsed because of some combination of climate change or overfishing. even if you don't eat crab it's bad news when 1 billion crabs go missing.

> it's bad news when 1 billion crabs go missing.

It's shocking, and yet not all that surprising.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by virgildotcodes »

mickdeek86 wrote: post #206
virgildotcodes wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Changing the industry overnight isn't in any one person's power any more than electing the next president, but the sum of our collective votes does decide the victor. Large scale boycotts of the industry will drop demand, and so production, and finally the impact on the fisheries. You can already see this at work with the decline of the milk industry in the US as consumers have lowered their consumption by about 49%…

That's talking about people drinking milk or milk with cereal. Overall dairy consumption has increased ~20% over the same time period, mostly due to cheese and yogurt[0]. Changing the industry is not in one person's power, but it is a small number of people (owners of the several large producers and the regulatory guys) who do change it; this (overnight) cancelling of the season is a counterexample to your point. htt…

Sorry, I'm having trouble parsing that historical spreadsheet. If I'm reading it correctly, it looks like per capita (consumption?) was 564 pounds in 1970 and 603 pounds in 2010, a 6.9% increase.

Either way, if that is actual consumption then that's an increase in total dairy use and I appreciate the correction.

I would argue my point still stands in terms in drinking milk consumption, it at least has dropped by nearly 50%, and that means that we would be producing a lot more dairy overall today if consumer habits hadn't shifted away from milk (and the growth in cheese and yogurt consumption had increased in the same fashion as it has, which admittedly may not have been the case).

Another example would be the massive growth of plant based milks and vegan/vegetarian products and restaurants into multi billion dollar industries over the last few decades, displacing a commensurate amount of demand from animal based industries.

My point is also not that governments, corporations, and the powerful don't have any influence over the state of the world. It was that large scale boycotts and pressing for systemic change can be done simultaneously, and do not have to be mutually exclusive.

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Post by myshpa »

wonderwonder wrote: post #203
revscat wrote: post #171

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Which will likely involve not raising animals for slaughter at all, but rather things like Impossible/Beyond meats.

I don't think those will really ever make a noticeable dent in the market. Most people don't want plant based burgers, especially with the negative reputation of soy and masculinity. I think lab grown meat will be the future. If you are able to present it in packages that look exactly like the cuts that one can currently buy in the store I see no reason they wont catch on.

> negative reputation of soy and masculinity

That's a ruse/tactic of the meat industry, nothing more. Meat/dairy is full of estrogens, phytoestrogens are in fact protective against real estrogens.

Btw, I don't think that masculinity depends on eating corpses / animal secretions.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/modern-minds/202005/...

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