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Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by jjk166 »

logicalmonster wrote: post #72
woodruffw wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any evidence to back this up, or is this just xenophobic speculation? China’s encroachment on sovereign waters for fishing is one thing when it’s against South American countries with small navies; it’s another thing entirely when it’s the US. I doubt they’re behind this.

Why are you assuming that the poster is hinting at China when his comment didn't mention the country?

How many states are there with access to pacific waters that could potentially have thousands of unregistered fishing vessels and whom a poster would be uncomfortable naming explicitly for fear of backlash?

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by virgildotcodes »

logicalmonster wrote: post #72
woodruffw wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any evidence to back this up, or is this just xenophobic speculation? China’s encroachment on sovereign waters for fishing is one thing when it’s against South American countries with small navies; it’s another thing entirely when it’s the US. I doubt they’re behind this.

Why are you assuming that the poster is hinting at China when his comment didn't mention the country?

It's kind of an obvious dog whistle, come on.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by nyc_data_geek1 »

gcanyon wrote: post #83
irrational wrote: post #28

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But, we always affect it in negative ways. Our ability to change the world in negative ways says nothing about our ability to ever fix it since we have absolutely no experience doing that.

Not always . We mostly fixed the ozone hole. Acid rain is largely gone from North America. Rivers in much of the world are much cleaner than they were in the last half of the 20th century. Air quality has likewise improved in many places. I think that as areas achieve a certain level of plenty, their focus shifts from shorter-term thinking to longer-term thinking. And most places around the world are reaching that ti…

let me know when we figure out how to reverse mass extinction

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by dmix »

logicalmonster wrote: post #72
woodruffw wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any evidence to back this up, or is this just xenophobic speculation? China’s encroachment on sovereign waters for fishing is one thing when it’s against South American countries with small navies; it’s another thing entirely when it’s the US. I doubt they’re behind this.

Why are you assuming that the poster is hinting at China when his comment didn't mention the country?

Portuguese fisherman were the big thing off the coast of Canada. Definitely not unique to China, although they seem to use fishing boats as a political tool like Russia uses little green men. But that's closer to their shores.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by virgildotcodes »

tsol wrote: post #39
ASalazarMX wrote: post #25

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I understand your mindset, what I can't understand is why you offer religion as solace. These very real world problems won't pray themselves out. With your approach we might as well just act as if nothing is happening and be happy. That's a solution that might work for old people on their way out, but it's absurdly inadequate and insensitive for the young generations.

>With your approach we might as well just act as if nothing is happening and be happy. That's what we're already doing, only we're not happy and the panic is making us collectively fight and make worse decisions. Calm people make better decisions than panicked people staring in the face of existential evaporation.

Most environmentalists would argue that we've been far too calm, leading us to not take the issues seriously and not make the requisite drastic changes to our civilizations.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by soperj »

hedgehog wrote: post #71
whyenot wrote: post #40

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No, it's not that simple. The snow crab fishery is pretty highly regulated and considered to be sustainably harvested (by NOAA, the Monterey Bay Aquarium, others). As mentioned in an another article [1] from August on the recent disappearance, there were large numbers of juveniles in 2018 and 2019. Something else is going on. Overfishing certainly may play a role, but something else is likely the primary factor. 1. h…

I don't know much about snow crab but Dungeness and various oysters in the Pacific Northwest US are threatened by rising ocean acidity caused by increased CO2. Warmer water is also allowing green crabs to take hold. Farther south urchins have killed off a lot of kelp forest in a way that seems not to self-correct. Easy to imagine there are similar problems all over the ocean.

Sea urchins are a problem everywhere in the pacific, and that's because their main predator (sea otters) were nearly wiped out.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by nickfromseattle »

nemo44x wrote: post #43
oesexe wrote: post #16

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COD, the fish that changed the world. Amazingly well written book. Apparently Cod used to be MUCH larger than it is today. for the same reason, they dont grow very old.

Many fish were much larger in the not so distant past. Marlin in Caribbean used to be huge compared to todays catch. Pictures from the 1950's and earlier, you see some just massive Marlin. They're big today but nothing like how they used to be. But we have a whole lot more people on the Earth today.

Here is an article that highlights this change. Just scroll the pictures, don't need to read the words.

https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2014/02/05/257046530/b...

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by conductr »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #55
werdnapk wrote: post #38

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Earth isn't in trouble, but we are. Earth will continue on and we'll end up as a minor footnote in the history of the planet.

The anthropocene will be visible in every history of the planet as one of the most rapid changes in every geologically and archaeologically observable metric, on the scale of the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. The asteroid may vanished in a massive conflagration, but people don't talk about it because that particular lump of space rock went extinct, they talk about all the other changes that came about as a resu…

> observable metric

By who though? Our entire existence could very well be a tree falling in an empty forest.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Post by tromp »

ilamont wrote: post #4

Something similar happened to the cod fishing industry in Newfoundland and other parts of eastern Canada 30 years ago. The reason: overfishing, due in large part to technological advances. Here's what happened: Canada and NAFO continued to overestimate the abundance of cod in the Atlantic Ocean and therefore continued to set dangerously high [Total Allowable Catches]. This was in large part due to the widespread prac…

> to prevent economic losses and massive unemployment

So sad to see how easily long term catastrophic damage is justified by short term gains.

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