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Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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If I was prez, I'd reserve a number of offshore "national parks" where no fishing of any sort is allowed.

Search "Marine Protected Areas", they are definitely a thing. US Presidents also have a habit of designating Marine Monuments as they exit office.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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If I was prez, I'd reserve a number of offshore "national parks" where no fishing of any sort is allowed.

You know, the difference is that marine animals travel a lot more than land animals.

Oddly enough, there’s decent evidence that preserves that ban fishing are effective for preserving the biodiversity in the larger region that includes zones where fishing is allowed.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Creating zones is one thing, enforcement is another. Hopefully technology can help solve this because I honestly don't see any other way - the oceans are too vast.

Enforcement is a solved problem - ships can be tracked by various means, ports where catches can be offloaded can be audited, crews can be arrested and ships impounded when in port. No one is going to overfish if they can't economically get their catch to market and get paid for their troubles. The issue is getting everyone to enforce the policies consistently - the leaders of different jurisdictions may not see eye…

>> Enforcement is a solved problem >> The issue is getting everyone to enforce the policies

Doesn't seem solved to me. Look at the trouble south america has been having with chinese trawlers doing illegal fishing and sending it back to china.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

#154

Overfishing is a classic problem of "Tragedy of the Commons". The oceans are the commons. For example, nobody is predicting a catastrophic decline in the population of pigs, chickens, and cattle. Fish farming is the future.

I have large cognitive dissonance to "we shouldn't be the world police" and "globalism is bad." At face value I agree, but...

If you believe in the rule of law and human rights, then globalism seems like a natural consequence, as does policing the world.

What would happen if you let China have global hegemony and they become the over-fishing police? What type of enforcement do you think they might have (or non enforcement, or selective enforcement).

It seems clear with world scale commons, there must be both a common set of laws (globalization) and an entity capable of enforcing those laws (America is the world police).

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Something similar happened to the cod fishing industry in Newfoundland and other parts of eastern Canada 30 years ago. The reason: overfishing, due in large part to technological advances. Here's what happened: Canada and NAFO continued to overestimate the abundance of cod in the Atlantic Ocean and therefore continued to set dangerously high [Total Allowable Catches]. This was in large part due to the widespread prac…

How is a 90% decrease in two years similar to a 93% decrease over 30 years?

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Other sources I've seen are blaming the dramatic heat during the summer of 2019. It "scrambled the broader marine ecosystem" causing die-offs and migrations for many species of fish. Snow Crabs are primarily deep water scavengers so they had plenty of food that year, but have struggled since.

Some people don't want to hear that because it's counter to their world-view. Earth isn't warming. Everything is OK. We can continue burning fossil fuels while having zero impact to the environment. Is there a word describing this mass wishful thinking?

> Is there a word describing this mass wishful thinking?

An existential threat to all human life.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Veganism is the (only logical) future.

The issue is that people en masse don’t actually care all that much about the cruelty of killing animals so long as it’s not reasonably torturous. The future, however dystopian you may see it, is sustainably growing the animals we want to eat for slaughter.

The concept of "reasonably torturous" is pretty wild.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Overfishing is a classic problem of "Tragedy of the Commons". The oceans are the commons. For example, nobody is predicting a catastrophic decline in the population of pigs, chickens, and cattle. Fish farming is the future.

Veganism is the (only logical) future.

Or meat and fish from bio reactors.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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I don't know much about snow crab but Dungeness and various oysters in the Pacific Northwest US are threatened by rising ocean acidity caused by increased CO2. Warmer water is also allowing green crabs to take hold. Farther south urchins have killed off a lot of kelp forest in a way that seems not to self-correct. Easy to imagine there are similar problems all over the ocean.

At least the urchin problem is caused, in part, by the mysterious sea star wasting disease - a disbiosis of their microbial layer that leads to rapid death. Sea stars are the natural predators of the urchins, and with their disappearance, the urchins flourish and take down the kelp.

> Sea stars are the natural predators of the urchins, and with their disappearance, the urchins flourish and take down the kelp.

No problem. We simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the urchins.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Seems odd that this is a logical guess, but then that's labelled as "xenophobic speculation".

It's a logical guess that the only country that could have thousands of unregistered ships would be china, one of the worlds leading industrial powers with a large pacific coastline. It's xenophobic speculation that china does in fact have these ships and specifically are the cause of this population collapsing.

This is widely known, just not to you.

Calling names won't change that.

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