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Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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Post by oifjsidjf »

froh wrote: post #8
lnsru wrote: post #6

Meanwhile in Germany: https://switzerlandtimes.ch/world/german-greens-remain-firm-... Welcome to The new dark ages in Germany. Leading politicians even do not have any higher education: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricarda_Lang It’s scary how these people decide about topics they have no idea about.

Dr Angela Merkel holds a PhD in quantum physics. she stands by her cabinets decision to leave nuclear energy in densely populated Germany, as per a recent interview. renewables will provide for 80% of Germanies energy needs by 2030, and close enough to 100% in 2050.

How exactly will you be 100% renewable during a cloudy and windless period with solar and wind?

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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Post by capitainenemo »

ncmncm wrote: post #37
capitainenemo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last I read into Germany's plan to be "100%" renewable, it was using other countries in Europe to provide the base load using their hydro and nuclear. Which is great so long as they have excess to provide Germany I suppose. There does not seem to be nearly enough construction of pumped storage or battery to cover the unevenness of German wind power. In fact, their prices have gone negative repeatedly in the past,…

It would be stupid to spend on storage before there is enough renewable generating capacity to charge it from. In the meantime they spend, sensibly, on renewable generating capacity. By the time there is enough, storage will be massively cheaper. In the meantime, charging storage from gas or coal and then drawing it down is the same as burning gas or coal for immediate use, just with losses.

The storage should be built in conjunction with the renewable generation to avoid those excess grid damaging events which is just wasteful. Similar issue to US where constructing generation is being subsidised but not constructing storage along with it.

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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traceelement wrote: post #33
tpmx wrote: post #7

The new coalition government has pledged $40B (approximately the market cap of Twitter, heh) in loan guarantees for nuclear power construction. They have also pledged to create legal guarantees that future politicians will not be able to shut down functioning nuclear power reactors without suitable monetary compensation to the owners/operators of these reactors. In addition to this, they are commissioning an urgent s…

so they get compensated if they have to close it even so the government payed them to build it. this sound like a bad deal. Tax payers pay for the whole thing and the owner gets even more money if they have to close it for whatever reason. I don't think coal is the answer but germany didn't do enough for renewables during the last 10 years when we knew we would shut down the nuclear plants. So now evrybody uses bad m…

No civil nuke plant has ever been operated, anywhere in the world, without massive government subsidies, or by coercing ratepayers to pay well above market rates.

Looks like the Swedish public will be on the hook for subsidies for decades more while the rest of Europe (France and Romania perhaps excepted) coasts on renewables at ever plunging prices.

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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Post by tpmx »

mkl95 wrote: post #14
lampshades wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is Germanys dystopian madness?

Relying on coal on for 30%+ of their electricity

That's a small part of their sins. The big part is relying on gas for heating. When speaking with germans I've found that they think of gas as "clean" which sounds insane to me. Yeah, maybe locally, compared to coal, but it's their largest co2 emission source nevertheless.

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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Post by est31 »

ncmncm wrote: post #29
mkl95 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relying on coal on for 30%+ of their electricity

It is dishonest to conflate emergency war measures as policy.

Yeah the plan was to buy methane gas from Russia instead. Still a non renewable source, but the gas would have caused less CO2 emissions and less pollution (gas causes less CO2 per kilowatt hour). Of course, the war and the bombings of NordStream have put an end to that.

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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Post by Zigurd »

tpmx wrote: post #7

The new coalition government has pledged $40B (approximately the market cap of Twitter, heh) in loan guarantees for nuclear power construction. They have also pledged to create legal guarantees that future politicians will not be able to shut down functioning nuclear power reactors without suitable monetary compensation to the owners/operators of these reactors. In addition to this, they are commissioning an urgent s…

The idea of nuclear power is good. The facts of nuclear power are much less good. It is not too much to ask that lifecycle costs and safety get addressed. For example, the French success with nuclear power looks much less successful due to decommissioning costs coming in at a multiple of estimated costs. The French low-balled their estimates, to be a fraction of estimates by Germany and UK. Which estimates do you believe?

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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Post by queuep »

cjblomqvist wrote: post #19
tpmx wrote: post #7

The new coalition government has pledged $40B (approximately the market cap of Twitter, heh) in loan guarantees for nuclear power construction. They have also pledged to create legal guarantees that future politicians will not be able to shut down functioning nuclear power reactors without suitable monetary compensation to the owners/operators of these reactors. In addition to this, they are commissioning an urgent s…

The previous government didn't stop the shutdown planned 40+ years ago (due to a national referendum), in part because the owners (Vattenfall) said it's not economically feasible to run them anymore without subsidies. It's complex.

For anyone interested in this national referendum, it’s peak bull crap.

No option available to continue with nuclear power

https://sv.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kärnkraftsfrågan_i_Sverige

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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Post by mkl95 »

ncmncm wrote: post #29
mkl95 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relying on coal on for 30%+ of their electricity

It is dishonest to conflate emergency war measures as policy.

War is just the straw that broke the camel's back. Shutting down nuclear energy while depending on a dictator's gas set them to fail.

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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Post by ncmncm »

oifjsidjf wrote: post #41
froh wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dr Angela Merkel holds a PhD in quantum physics. she stands by her cabinets decision to leave nuclear energy in densely populated Germany, as per a recent interview. renewables will provide for 80% of Germanies energy needs by 2030, and close enough to 100% in 2050.

How exactly will you be 100% renewable during a cloudy and windless period with solar and wind?

No post body was provided.

Re: Sweden’s incoming cabinet says new nuclear reactors will be built

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Post by junofan »

ncmncm wrote: post #43
traceelement wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so they get compensated if they have to close it even so the government payed them to build it. this sound like a bad deal. Tax payers pay for the whole thing and the owner gets even more money if they have to close it for whatever reason. I don't think coal is the answer but germany didn't do enough for renewables during the last 10 years when we knew we would shut down the nuclear plants. So now evrybody uses bad m…

No civil nuke plant has ever been operated, anywhere in the world, without massive government subsidies, or by coercing ratepayers to pay well above market rates. Looks like the Swedish public will be on the hook for subsidies for decades more while the rest of Europe (France and Romania perhaps excepted) coasts on renewables at ever plunging prices.

Source? Everything I can find counts PPAs which is… kind of a stretch.
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