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Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

#41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can always load the IDE up as a Vim/Emacs plugin. I've used the Eclipse Language Server within Vim to some success in the past

Thats why i put need in quotes. Sure you can get away with it but vim plugin is no where close to what you can do in Idea. Not even in the same orbit.

Good old days at college when I used to code in notepad :p

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

#42
The solution is not to get religiously terminal.

I keep two desktops open and can flip with a keystroke.

One of those always runs a full screen browser on gnome desk, and the other is the shell.

I flip between those. Email is webmail but on the other screen code editor is vim.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

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> - Mutt doesn't handle multiple email accounts natively for work/personal. The solutions are hacks at best.

I don't know about Mutt, but I've had no problems handling multiple accounts with mu4e on Emacs. `emacs`/`emacsclient` can be forced to use the terminal by using the `-nw` option.

isync/`mbsync` can also work with multiple accounts. Although, this program just sync's an IMAP account with a local Maildir that clients like mu4e can use for reading mail offline. It's an MRA[1] rather than a whole MUA.

There are many other terminal email clients you can also try.

> Email servers are starting to use more complete auth mechanisms that don't work well with mutt.

Google can support standard auth by activating 2FA, then making an app password. You can do this here:

https://myaccount.google.com/security

Google specifically needs "more complete auth mechanisms" because its regular password gives access to much more than an email account, since Google accounts are a huge platform. What other servers are moving away from standard auth mechanisms?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_retrieval_agent

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

#44
The terminal is still the most efficient control center for the machine. We have less control than before so we get dragged into the cloud, onto centrally coordinated networks.

There are converging factors that will give back some control but I think people should be treating that convergence with more urgency than we do now.

Of course the terminal should also evolve, new standards need to be set.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

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post #3

From the headline, I thought the post would have been about this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehran_Karimi_Nasseri

I was thinking The Lawnmower Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LNvXjb44-U

I was thinking The Terminal Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terminal_Man_(film)

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

#47

It doesn't work for business at all because if you want to do business you have to meet people where they are. You can't email a client and say, sorry, can you please send me that contract in a text file, I only have a terminal. Or, sorry, I can't use your web portal to access the data because it uses JavaScript. If you're not doing business, using the terminal works fine. Up until you have to deal with health insura…

>[gui] web browsers

You largely can restrict yourself to phone calls and postal mail. Aside from ordering from Amazon, my dad largely does. (Albeit in part because my brother and I will do various things for him he can't figure out how to do with just a phone call or letter.) But it's increasingly difficult for a lot of things and is, at a minimum, less convenient.

And, as you say, in business you generally don't really have the option to basically refuse to use a computer for many purposes.

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

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post #38

I lived without X11/Wayland for several years. (These days, I live in GUI Emacs with EXWM instead, which has a similar feeling.) Some tools I had luck with: - mpv is your friend - it can play audio, video, and display images directly to the framebuffer without X11. It also makes a pretty decent PDF reader combined with ghostscript to render each page to a PNG. - The Emacs ecosystem is very useful - there are many pac…

Which IRC client did you use in these years?

Re: Ask HN: Is it still possible to live in a terminal?

#50

It doesn't work for business at all because if you want to do business you have to meet people where they are. You can't email a client and say, sorry, can you please send me that contract in a text file, I only have a terminal. Or, sorry, I can't use your web portal to access the data because it uses JavaScript. If you're not doing business, using the terminal works fine. Up until you have to deal with health insura…

>Unfortunately the world now revolves around [gui] web browsers. We brought this technologically retarded hellscape on ourselves and we deserve it.

This seems backwards. Limiting yourself to CLI tools do retard your abilities, modern GUI apps do not.

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