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Re: How to succeed at Meta

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Post by yodsanklai »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #61
yodsanklai wrote: post #38

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> a TC of 250k+ is more than life changing. It doesn't get you that far. Consider tax and cost of life in NYC/SF/London where you won't be able to buy a house anyway, and you're left with 50k to save a year. In other places, you're less likely to get such a TC. Sure, it's a lot of money, but not enough to change your social status. It adds up if you manage to stay long enough there, but considering ageism and burning…

lmfao Alright, let's consider this: my current gross salary is at 47k €. With what my boss pays, let's say it would be the equivalent of 100k in the US (unemployment, social security, etc). And I'm from France, which is a pretty wealthy first world country. My salary puts me in about the top 20% in terms of salary. If you think I wouldn't be able to commute for 2 hours every day for 2.5x salary so i could save up MY…

I actually went from 50k in a median city to 200k in an expensive megalopolis so I know exactly whether it's life changing or not. Consider $3000 rent for a 2br apartment.

My lifestyle hasn't changed to the slightest, except I work more. I won't be able to sustain that lifestyle for many years, because ageism + stressful job. For comparison, in France, 10% of people inherit more than 500K without doing nothing. I'll probably never reach that level of savings, won't ever be able to live in a house and so on...

I'm not complaining as I'm in a privileged situation. But in countries like France, inequalities come primarily from inheritance. It's hard to lift yourself from middle class with salary alone.

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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Post by karamanolev »

lbotos wrote: post #65
DethNinja wrote: post #42

I worked for large companies all my life and all of them are actually like this. I wonder how one can find companies with no office politics, and one that rewards real engineering work. Do any of the FAANGs actually qualify for this?

The best example of why large organizations are like this was Engels writing on "the state": “The state is, therefore, by no means a power forced on society from without; just as little is it ’the reality of the ethical idea’, ’the image and reality of reason’, as Hegel maintains. Rather, it is a product of society at a certain stage of development; it is the admission that this society has become entangled in an ins…

I've seen many a "startup within a corporation", but the benefits of that are almost never, what what I've seen, realized. I wonder what gives. Why can't anyone figure out how to make that work?

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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Post by 22SAS »

randshift wrote: post #3

Blind is such a toxic place... I always come off shocked at how awful people are on there. Only focused on "TC", and nothing else.

Blind is mostly Indian and some Chinese. Two cultures that care a shit load about money and prestige. I would know, I am from one of those cultures.

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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Post by anameen21 »

yodsanklai wrote: post #38
ohgodplsno wrote: post #10

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For many devs, especially non SV people (or even non US people), a TC of 250k+ is more than life changing. It's "I never could have ever gotten this, and not only is my life set, the people around me are too". Needless to say, if I was offered these compensations (or higher), I'll gladly take even 10 years of incompetence around me to then be able to do fuck all for the rest of my life (or, well, things I actually en…

> a TC of 250k+ is more than life changing. It doesn't get you that far. Consider tax and cost of life in NYC/SF/London where you won't be able to buy a house anyway, and you're left with 50k to save a year. In other places, you're less likely to get such a TC. Sure, it's a lot of money, but not enough to change your social status. It adds up if you manage to stay long enough there, but considering ageism and burning…

Sometimes I feel like people here mistakenly or purposefully obfuscate TC info for one reason or another (uninformed, can’t/doesn’t want to get into FAANG, etc..) but even with the current market downturn, I’m safely at around the ~500k mark as a ‘senior’ engineer at a FAANG (levels.fyi is your friend). I’m under 30 and have been doing this job at a comfortable pace for over 5 years now so no risk of burnout hopefully. I save much more than 50k a year, and yes it’s social status changing money and no I don’t feel out of league with my friends who are doctors.

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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Post by krisoft »

UncleMeat wrote: post #68
aantix wrote: post #13

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If you're working for someone else's dream, what else is there? "TC" gives me and my family options to do other big things in the world. Yes, I want to take two big family vacations a year, live in a great neighborhood/ school district, and give my kids extra opportunities. Optimizing for "TC" makes sense.

A problem is that people are often optimizing to compensation literally right now. This leads to the following common scenario on blind or other similar communities: Person 1. "I'm a junior engineer and two senior engineers just left my team, now I'm being asked to do do a bunch of work that they used to handle." Person 2. "If they aren't bumping your pay immediately you should leave. Never do senior work for junior…

> Now this person is missing out on a huge opportunity to get a ton of experience and prove themselves to be invaluable.

I pay my mortage with opportunities, exposure and experience too.

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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Post by UncleMeat »

krisoft wrote: post #75
UncleMeat wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A problem is that people are often optimizing to compensation literally right now. This leads to the following common scenario on blind or other similar communities: Person 1. "I'm a junior engineer and two senior engineers just left my team, now I'm being asked to do do a bunch of work that they used to handle." Person 2. "If they aren't bumping your pay immediately you should leave. Never do senior work for junior…

> Now this person is missing out on a huge opportunity to get a ton of experience and prove themselves to be invaluable. I pay my mortage with opportunities, exposure and experience too.

I'm not saying work for nothing. I'm saying that immediately fleeing every time you are asked to stretch because it isn't in your current job role is going to limit your career growth rather than enable it.

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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Post by Apocryphon »

yodsanklai wrote: post #54
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #29

This person is getting a lot of snarky responses, but all of this is relatively true at Amazon also and it was true when I was at Intel 10 years ago. This is how large companies operate once they surpass the innovation phase, so it should be no surprise to anyone that's actually worked in a FAANG and doesn't pound down the kool-aid. Interesting how there's comments on this person being concerned solely with "TC" as i…

> I thought we were past the employer loyalty era and more accepting of the harsh reality that everything is profit-driven these days I think this is my biggest disappointment working for a big tech company. I don't feel I'm "part of the family" at all. Very high turnover, people come and go, some are fired, burn out, or move to another job. I'd love to feel I'm part of something, but it's not the case. Plus most pro…

Having worked at a few mid-sized (50-120) startups for a while, the disappointment there is that many of those same problems exist, just in smaller contexts, and is more personal.

I think it's not so much company size as it is operating in a hot industry during a boom time.

Re: How to succeed at Meta

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Post by djkivi »

sfashset wrote: post #62
za3faran wrote: post #41

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How much do you think doctors make? Unless they specialize and spend another 5+ years pursuing it, they're in the 100K-250K range anyway depending on location.

Sorry but you’re completely wrong about both your 5 years comment and your income range. For a more realistic look at physician income see https://www.offerdx.com/

Family medicine $270k. Doesn’t seem that far off.
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