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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by acedTrex »

laundermaf wrote: post #687
rootusrootus wrote: post #323

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> it's criminal that a vast reason they have so much market share is because of imessage and the fact that it's "broken" with SMS to some degree. That's just speculation, though. It's entirely plausible that the fundamental reason they have so much market share is because people agree with you: > I just want a phone that works. I've gone back and forth between Android and iPhone myself, and what draws me back to iPho…

That suggestion that people buy iPhones merely because of iMessage is outrageous to a non-American. While I might certainly be one of the reasons, I doubt it’s the reason, unless the user is 12.

Not being able to communicate in large group chats with all your friends is social suicide for many people. You won't get 10-15 people that have used IMessage for years to switch, so yes imessage is a primary reason to use iphone.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by acedTrex »

aendruk wrote: post #341
AustinDev wrote: post #289

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This works if you're ok with sending all your messages in cleartext over your phone's radio.

No, you still choose a secure messenger—just one that’s available to everyone.

The people you are attempting to communicate with also have to choose that by the way. The hard part is convincing others

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by matheusmoreira »

preisschild wrote: post #671
matheusmoreira wrote: post #480

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Minor annoyance? Android is becoming just as much of a locked down walled garden as iOS. Hardware remote attestation is already here and it threatens to deny access to apps to all rooted phones. If I must be in one of these little walled gardens, I'm choosing the better kept one. It sure as hell isn't Google's.

> Hardware remote attestation is already here and it threatens to deny access to apps to all rooted phones My phone is not rooted, but I use GrapheneOS on my Google Pixel for security hardening and to not have the google rootkit installed. Funnily enough, even my banking app works, but not my countries eID system. I imagine in a few years voting will be hard due to this bs ;(

Yeah, running GrapheneOS will cause remote attestation to fail, rooted or not. Because it's done in hardware, software like Magisk will be unable to fake the attestation. It's complete bullshit.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by lostmsu »

hacym wrote: post #759
lostmsu wrote: post #757

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I never claimed anything like. You demonstrate dirty sophistry there. The issue is not that battery degrades, it is that their phones could not handle it and shut off when charge still remained. 2 years is a very little time. None of the devices with batteries I had exhibited that behavior. And I have devices that are over 5 years old in regular use.

> Or they could have recalled faulty devices, you know. To fix them and provide the experience they promised originally. It’s not faulty devices, and a quick google search will show you that cell phone batteries have a lifespan of 2-3 years in average.

> It’s not faulty devices, and a quick google search will show you that cell phone batteries have a lifespan of 2-3 years in average.

Please, try reading this again

> The issue is not that battery degrades, it is that their phones could not handle it and shut off when charge still remained.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by fyvhbhn »

D13Fd wrote: post #731
fyvhbhn wrote: post #711

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No, Dystopia = everyone must buy an iphone as solution to the problem instead of just using an app that's not restricted to iphones

I guess the difference is the attitude - “I will try to change my preferences to suit others” vs “I will try to change others to suit my preferences”

It isn't.

Two options: - everyone installs an app that can deal with multiple vendors (like 90% of the messengers) - everyone that is not having a phone of vendor x gets a new phone from vendor x and throws away the old one (or keeps both lol)

The former is almost for free and the latter costs hundreds of dollars .

It's so much worse that you cannot even make out this difference

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by taylodl »

woutr_be wrote: post #656
jmt_ wrote: post #481

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Lifelong US citizen here - I've barely heard anyone mention it in person my whole life. If it wasn't for reading about it in discussions like this, I would probably never even think about it. iMessage, social media DMs, and regular SMS seem to be the most common in my experience. Signal/Telegram are pretty much only used here by tech people and/or people discussing not-so-wholesome things and I'm always surprised to…

> If it wasn't for reading about it in discussions like this, I would probably never even think about it. I'm the same, but in the sense that I can't even begin to understand that people will marginalize each other based on the colors of their text messages, or that it would even matter at all. Having lived in Asia for the last ten years, having multiple chat apps is just so normal, most of my friends use WhatsApp, s…

We're not talking about normal people, we're talking about teenagers. Adults see the green bubble and understand someone in the group is using Android and as a result their messages are insecure, and they generally don't care about that. If you're an adult and concerned about security in your chats then just use WhatsApp. You'll never get teenagers to adopt that approach though.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by jader201 »

pb7 wrote: post #621
Sirened wrote: post #601

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HN has the absolute worst combo of people who are very technical but without the domain expertise to actually understand the limits of what they know. Lots of software people making wild ass conjectures about semiconductors and CPU architecture...

I’ll one up you. I contend people here are simply average even in their domain of expertise, let alone anything outside of it. It’s not a special hideout for geniuses, it’s a generic forum not unlike Reddit. The only reason it appears the way that it does is via selective moderation.

I won’t argue with the point about not everyone being geniuses (I know a sample of one that isn’t).

But the discussions here are still 100x more civil than all other alternatives. That, alone, makes it seem people are at least closer to the genius side of the spectrum.

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Post by colinmhayes »

thirdsun wrote: post #752
colinmhayes wrote: post #550

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Oh yea it’s normal, but so what? Still sends me a notification

Then your point doesn't apply to iMessage. You receive SMS spam, not iMessage spam.

But iMessage has done nothing to lower the amount of spam I receive so I don't see any benefit.

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Post by yamazakiwi »

setr wrote: post #333
yamazakiwi wrote: post #319

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Because wearing Nike's doesn't visually highlight every person's shoes on the basketball court that doesn't have Nikes.

Sure they do; that’s what the big logo is for

They highlight themselves but they don't highlight other shoes in a negative light.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by acedTrex »

kazinator wrote: post #491
rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

Since the green bubbles are an Apple issue appearing on Apple phones, the way you avoid them is by avoiding Apple phones.

suggesting teens avoid iphones, in a thread about 87% of teens having an iphone is a very interesting strategy
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