My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .
Since the green bubbles are an Apple issue appearing on Apple phones, the way you avoid them is by avoiding Apple phones.
87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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It's not just a trivial difference in bubble color. SMS conversations in iMessage lose features. The social rejection is a result of the features lost when an Android user participates in a messaging group.
> SMS conversations in iMessage lose features. "Lose" makes it sound like they could be found. Are the features even possible to implement with SMS?
Technically yes, Realistically there isn't a need. The iMessage feature set has been mostly matched by RCS on Android. Apple does not want compatible messaging.
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#493Used Android since like the original HTC phone in my early teens, owned probably 6-7 android phones in my life (majority Google since the good old Nexus days). My first iPhone was the 12 and as of now, I think my kids first phone will be an iPhone. The walled garden is annoying and monopolistic but an iPhone just works. 2 years later, my iPhone is still going strong and I don’t even want to change my phone for the near future. They’re just built better and supported better. My family relentlessly complain about the Pixel 6 heat issues and plans on “upgrading” a year later.
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I just got a backup iPhone SE for $430. It's fantastic. Same chip as recent iPhones. Very decent camera. Better battery life than my 13 pro. Actually fits in pocket. More fun to play games with one-handed. Easily will last 5 years with a case. Not a luxury device, but pretty competitive with what a lot of young people in even middle-income countries would pay for phones.
There's a fair number of posts in the thread now pointing out that iPhones are not-that-expensive, and all of them drive up my own engagement with the plight of the people who can't afford one. If you're, say, in a 5% bracket of society who can't afford one, it's all the more awful and potentially debilitating to have a marker on you that flags you as part of the 5%, no? And at $430 it's still a lot more than 5% in t…
If you think a green bubble is the only thing that will mark you for that 5%, that people will judge, you've never been, or known anyone, that was poor.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
#495My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .
Maybe you should start by not being a bitc* to your two children
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What is the difference to Nike providing kids with flashy shoes when the sole purpose is class and coolness? According to the same report, Nike is the most preferred fashion brand among teens. At least with Apple's message indication you know you're getting encryption and thus privacy from carriers. Would it be less problematic if Apple simply mentioned "warning: this is unencrypted SMS"?
Because wearing Nike's doesn't visually highlight every person's shoes on the basketball court that doesn't have Nikes.
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It would be great if the general population would switch to another messaging app (or better yet a protocol that multiple clients support). I get the sense that this is how WhatsApp is used in other countries. It feels like a real regression to be using SMS based messaging in 2022. Seems like iMessage succeeds only by sheer numbers and ignorance of the general population.
There are a lot of things that succeed due to the ignorance of the population
Yes. WhatsApp is a hideous and bloated app and there are far better solutions.
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This seriously concerns me. I'm almost of the opinion that teenagers should not have phones for anything other than strictly communicating: voice and video calls and messaging. But that cat is out of the bag and now we have people growing up literally addicted to devices that are very detrimental to brain development and intelligence, emotions, socialization, etc.
I remember my parents saying that TV was going to rot my brain... then video games... before that it was comic books. Are there any reputable studies that show having a smart phone is detrimental to the health of a teenager? I've seen studies suggesting social media has a negative influence on the mental health of certain teens, but they aren't one and the same.
I think the difference is that there are fairly conclusive studies showing that social media use, for all ages, can negatively influences happiness. Studies for TV, comics, and games never seemed to be conclusive. They're all very different things. An understanding of one doesn't give an understanding of another. They each deserve their own conclusion. I suspect VR will be the next one in that list.
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What 100000 choices? There are basically 6 Android phones. Of which only one matters - the Samsung Galaxy in it's 2 biggest sizes. So basically you need to pick between 2 Samsung phones, the major difference being size.
Wow, that's an intense level of myopia right there. There are lots and lots (and lots) of people who don't need a Galaxy. Take my wife for example. Entirely happy (or as happy as you can with any contemporary portable computing device) with her old LG Aristo 5, it started failing a few weeks back, and we replaced it with a T-Mobile Revvl 6 Pro 5G. $219. Entirely adequate phone for her, and for most the people we know…
No, the point was that if you don't want to choose between 100000 androids you buy the Galaxy which is the iPhone equivalent.
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Apple is free to open the iMessage ecosystem if they'd like to allow Android to send encrypted messages to iPhones as well. The truth is that Apple isn't doing this to help customers identify unencrypted messages. They are doing this for the network effect.
They are doing this for the network effect. This is what people in the hate-Apple echo chamber like to chant, but it's wrong. When Apple started doing it, there was no network effect. The color choice was made years before everyone started freaking out about green and blue bubbles. It was done to show that a message went over SMS, and not iMessage at a time when many Americans paid for each SMS sent, but iMessages we…
At what time has data ever been cheaper than SMS? That "Blue=free Green=10¢" would likely only have been true for people on really crummy plans sending a message while connected to Wi-Fi. Data has never been "free". They would have had to show iMessage messages as green when sent over the phone network.
It was to mark the "plebs" so the "plebs" would be blamed for any issues rather than Apple.