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Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by Markoff »

Not fully recovered = people with mental issues

> People with previous symptomatic Covid infections reported certain persistent symptoms, such as breathlessness, palpitations and _confusion_ or _difficulty concentrating_, at a rate roughly three times as high as uninfected people in surveys from six to 18 months later, the study found.

Also:

> Women, older people and those living in poorer areas also faced more serious aftereffects from an infection.

TLDR people more likely to be depressed were find to be depressed and someone tries to claim it's thanks to COVID infection. /facepalm

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by MandieD »

noncoml wrote: post #21
uptownfunk wrote: post #5

This disease has completely changed the state of life for everyday America. I used to be able to run easily for miles. Since COVID I can barely get out a few miles a week.

I wonder if the extended sedentary lifestyle imposed by the lockdowns is also to blame to some degree. I used to be very active, but seem unable to get back to shape more than one year after lockdown ended and gyms reopened. I only got a very mild Covid this past January.

The very mild “lockdowns” imposed in Germany in 2020 resulted in bicycle shortages, because all there was to was to walk, run or go biking.

The bike paths were absolutely packed around me when people couldn’t do discretionary shopping or go to restaurants or the movies.

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by phpthrowaway99 »

pengaru wrote: post #105
phpthrowaway99 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's crazier is that if you run in circles of the unvaccinated, you almost think it's all in everyone's head. I mentioned earlier I work in a company where almost no one got vaccinated. We're somewhat customer facing, but did wear masks when the state required it. Almost no one has gotten covid of any of my friends/coworkers. I've been casual as can be, never touching a hand wash squirter, going out in SF outdoor a…

Feynman speaking of the Challenger disaster in this interview seems apropos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kpDg7MjHps&t=3m10s

That's a clever response, but sometimes you have to tell your mom she's a neurotic worrier, that you live at the end of a quiet lonely road, and live your life.

Not all roads are the same. And IMO the incidence and severity of covid has been drastically exaggerated.

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by phpthrowaway99 »

orwin wrote: post #106
phpthrowaway99 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a scary thought more scary than your platitude. In 5-10 years, we might find that everyone that got the vaccine does die like everyone dies.. except they die several years earlier than average.

What's funny is that the narrative early 2021 was everybody getting the vaccine would die within a year. I'm happy to have survived it.

That was maybe the crazies narrative on some Qanon site. I'm sure that was repeated often to make anti vaxers look insane. But for most anti vax people the narrative was "we have no idea if it's safe long term, and at the rate they seem to be pushing this on pregnant women right away, kids asap and apparently infants soon, I don't think I can trust these people."

I can't honestly remember or repeat what all the fringe doctors and researches, but yes doctors and researches, have said to convince me of my views.. but enough was said that you couldn't get me to take the vaccine for $100k, and I'm no tech millionaire.

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by phpthrowaway99 »

stackola wrote: post #110
orwin wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's funny is that the narrative early 2021 was everybody getting the vaccine would die within a year. I'm happy to have survived it.

Not to stir the pot too much, but the much more prevelant narrative was "Everybody not getting the vaccine would die within a year"

I heard that very often from my old college friends. And it made me laugh considering during 2020s harsh covid, media said half the people that get it don't even have any symptoms... And then when the vaccine came around, I was apparently going to die if I got it without the vaccine.

Apparently the nuance between some people can't even tell they got it, some people have a mild cold, and some people die got lost on some people.

Even bill Maher showed that democrats were over estimating death odds by almost 20x, while republicans it was about 3-4x I think.

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by throwaway_au_1 »

timr wrote: post #65
jonas21 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't object to you sharing your boring story. I do find it hypocritical to say, "let's not exaggerate based on personal anecdotes" while doing the same thing.

Person 1: "the world is coming to an end!" Person 2: "well, hold on now. Things still seem okay to me." Person 1: "why are you minimizing it?!?" I'm not saying that OP isn't telling the truth. I'm not even saying that their story is less representative than mine. I'm just saying that my boring story also exists, and we shouldn't fixate on (i.e. "emphasize") the emotional stories because they're emotional.

That's a very disingenuous example that bears little relation to classichasclass's original post. They said they know people who have suffered significantly because of COVID and for that reason they are still cautious. You immediately responded "let's not exaggerate". How have they exaggerated?

Then you say "It still doesn't give them carte blanche to exaggerate or emphasize scary anecdotes at the expense of boring ones." In what way is the post made by classichasclass at the expense of other anecdotes? It makes absolutely no sense.

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by yucky »

bsder wrote: post #38
timr wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had it and everyone I know has had it (now in the dozens), including a number of elderly people. Everyone is fine. I recovered in a week, and out of literally dozens of people, I've not met anyone who took longer than that. I'm sorry about your dad, but let's not exaggerate based on personal anecdotes. The stories that get upvoted are the ones that scare people.

> Everyone is fine. I recovered in a week, and out of literally dozens of people, I've not met anyone who took longer than that. Calling bullshit. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01589-z Anybody who lost their sense of taste or smell took months to recover that. Loss of smell or taste is almost 50% for Covid prior to Omicron. Even with Omicron, it's about 20%.

Just throwing on the pile of anecdotes, almost everybody I know has had Covid at least once and I can only think of a couple that lost any sense of taste or smell beyond the few days they were sick. I do know one guy though who says he still can't smell many things. Not sure if it's from Covid or not since he was vaccinated. Then again, now we know Pfizer never bothered to test if the vaccine actually stopped transmission, so who knows. [1]

I guess the point is anecdotes are worthless.

[1] https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/pfizer...

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by taolegal »

loktarogar wrote: post #93
timr wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. My story is just as useless as every other anecdote when it comes to evaluating the truth of something like this. The point is to provide a neutral voice in contrast to the fearful one.

"I lost my dad" doesn't warrant an immediate "well, I didn't". You don't have to void someone's experience just because you think it'll scare some folks. I lost two friends to COVID. That weighs on me a hell of a lot more than the knowledge that I didn't lose others. It's going to influence every discussion on this forever. Because they died.

> "I lost my dad" doesn't warrant an immediate "well, I didn't"

Yea it does when it's used as a rhetorical blunt object to bash dissent in every conversation when people speak about the egregious & fruitless authoritarianism that capitalized on the exaggerated risks of covid. There is a very specific risk profile and treating everyone who's at very low risk as though they're on the opposite end of the spectrum is simply misinformed.

There are people who are vulnerable to covid, that has always been the case, but they are a very small minority of people. And insofar as pretty much every heavy-handed intervention failed to protect those people, and also inflicted a massive fruitless cost on society (that oddly enough puts the vulnerable at even more risk because of the resulting societal dysfunction and disorder), yea you better believe people should be pushing back on using the dead as a thought-terminating cliche. It's a way to scapegoat the rest of society for not obsessively masking (as though this ever helped adequately, the evidence is still weak and in real-life most people either don't use the right mask or use the mask incorrectly) or taking a vaccine that doesn't even prevent transmission.

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by taolegal »

throwaway_au_1 wrote: post #116
timr wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Person 1: "the world is coming to an end!" Person 2: "well, hold on now. Things still seem okay to me." Person 1: "why are you minimizing it?!?" I'm not saying that OP isn't telling the truth. I'm not even saying that their story is less representative than mine. I'm just saying that my boring story also exists, and we shouldn't fixate on (i.e. "emphasize") the emotional stories because they're emotional.

That's a very disingenuous example that bears little relation to classichasclass's original post. They said they know people who have suffered significantly because of COVID and for that reason they are still cautious. You immediately responded "let's not exaggerate". How have they exaggerated? Then you say "It still doesn't give them carte blanche to exaggerate or emphasize scary anecdotes at the expense of boring o…

If someone has a relative die from a shark attack and doesn't swim in the ocean anymore, that's their choice, it's even understandable.

But as I see it, relative to nowadays, the analogy would be that people are arguing that no one should ever allowed to swim in the ocean or should be wearing a life vest 24/7, even on ground.

Re: Nearly half of Covid patients haven’t fully recovered months later, study finds

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Post by taolegal »

benhoyt wrote: post #47

Seeing people are sharing stories ... I'm a pretty healthy 41-year old, I live in New Zealand, got two Pfizer shots in late 2021, then got Covid in April 2022. It was like a bad flu, but I recovered from the main symptoms after a week or so, and felt drained for another few weeks. So far so good. But ever since recovering from Covid I've had this tightness/squirming feeling around my stomach/gut at night, and it real…

It seems like there's an impact on the gut microbiome from infection, and I suspect that a dysbiotic gut microbiome is specifically a cause of severe covid. I think that's a relatively neat explanation for why countries that aren't pervasively obese & eating horrible food faired relatively better in terms of covid mortality.
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