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Re: Firefox 3.6 vs 8.0

#51

Post by tete »

VonLipwig wrote: post #35

I would love to use Firefox but I can't bring myself to do it. Firefox got really terrible and bloated and whenever I use it I am just waiting for a hint of terribleness to appear. Then I switch to another browser. The main thing Firefox need to do is drop the version numbers all together. These numbers should be for developer's only. I could even argue developers do not need the version numbers and could work just f…

First of all this is pretty much where Mozilla is heading towards anyways.

Firefox isn't bloated in terms of memory consumption, when compared to Chrome. It's interface has more nice features though, which I greatly enjoy though.

Did you actually test a recent version?

Oh btw. the Beta version of Firefox is an officially supported one, meaning if you find something that is bad for security bug you will receive the grant and stuff.

Re: Firefox 3.6 vs 8.0

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Post by J_Darnley »

So the only thing I get from Firefox 8 is faster javascript? Why is that useful when I would lose so much? I block all javascript with NoScript and go a few steps further with RequestPolicy and Ghostery.

Whereas I want my browser to look like a standard Windows classic theme window.

Re: Firefox 3.6 vs 8.0

#53

Post by VonLipwig »

tete wrote: post #51
VonLipwig wrote: post #35

I would love to use Firefox but I can't bring myself to do it. Firefox got really terrible and bloated and whenever I use it I am just waiting for a hint of terribleness to appear. Then I switch to another browser. The main thing Firefox need to do is drop the version numbers all together. These numbers should be for developer's only. I could even argue developers do not need the version numbers and could work just f…

First of all this is pretty much where Mozilla is heading towards anyways. Firefox isn't bloated in terms of memory consumption, when compared to Chrome. It's interface has more nice features though, which I greatly enjoy though. Did you actually test a recent version? Oh btw. the Beta version of Firefox is an officially supported one, meaning if you find something that is bad for security bug you will receive the gr…

I have used a recent version of Firefox. It has a load of HTML5 goodness but not many website's run these bleeding edge features.

It still looks incredibly ugly on the Mac. The last time I used Firefox on Mac it was wobbly. I only now have it installed for testing. The change in versioning was a mistake which caused a load of confusion. Firefox may be getting better in performance or memory usage but does it matter? Other browsers are already there.

I will keep tabs on Firefox but I see no reason to switch from Safari or anything else for that matter to Firefox at the moment. It is a bit like IE tbh. It is getting better but for a generation of users the reputation damage is already done.

Re: Firefox 3.6 vs 8.0

#54

Post by robin_reala »

D_Drake wrote: post #47
gkoberger wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between "broken" and "not the way I use it / am used to". Mozilla released a video explaining the transition of tabs [1]. Still don't like it? Right click somewhere on the title bar and deselect "Tabs on Top" As for the status bar, just hit "ctrl+/". The best thing about Firefox is that if there's something you don't like, there's probably an add-on for it. Try searching for add-ons that do what…

Why would I use 8.0 and spend time and effort turning it back into 3.6, when 3.6 already does everything I want or need it to?

Because it’s multiple times faster and being actively updated.

Re: Firefox 3.6 vs 8.0

#55

Post by ck2 »

tete wrote: post #50
ck2 wrote: post #48

I made the 3.6 to 7/8 switch only a few months ago. Here are some extensions I found critical to my sanity to keeping things somewhat familiar: Status-4-Evar and Firefox 3 theme for Firefox 4+ (v2.0) Then once you are in FF8 treat yourself to extensions you can only running in FF8+ like Font Information which shows you what fonts are being used on the page in the page info dialog. Now my FF8 looks a lot like 3.6 but…

This has been fixed in Firefox 10 (or 9?). Until then you could use this extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compat...

If you are responding to "only can be used in FF8" the font information extension only works in FF8+ because of the api hooks needed are not available in previous version. It's not a min/max versioning issues.

Re: Firefox 3.6 vs 8.0

#56

Post by willyt »

daave wrote: post #21
slowpoke wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I hope unnoticeable updates become the norm for all desktop software. As long as you can turn that off, sure. I don't like software bypassing my package managers. Firefox is so far the sole exception I'm okay with since I'm using the Nightly builds and don't update as often. But for everything else, that would be a nightmare. I like to be in control of my updates, thank you.

It's time to let go and trust the developers of the software you're using to know when updates are stable, or when you really need a critical bug or security fix (if you don't trust them, why are you running their software anyway?). Package managers are a great upgrade from having to manually update individual applications, and are still great for servers or other cases where upgrading can break crucial pieces of inf…

No way. A new release of my CAD software always screws something up. Unfortunately, it seems like some software is just too old and complicated to test thoroughly and cost effectivly.

Re: Firefox 3.6 vs 8.0

#57

Post by jerhewet »

tete wrote: post #50
ck2 wrote: post #48

I made the 3.6 to 7/8 switch only a few months ago. Here are some extensions I found critical to my sanity to keeping things somewhat familiar: Status-4-Evar and Firefox 3 theme for Firefox 4+ (v2.0) Then once you are in FF8 treat yourself to extensions you can only running in FF8+ like Font Information which shows you what fonts are being used on the page in the page info dialog. Now my FF8 looks a lot like 3.6 but…

This has been fixed in Firefox 10 (or 9?). Until then you could use this extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compat...

Link is broken (server taking too long to respond). Any alternatives to this URL?

Re: Firefox 3.6 vs 8.0

#58

Post by twodayslate »

asadotzler wrote: post #7

Firefox 8 is light years ahead of 3.6 in performance and memory usage. It's light-weight and blazing fast. If you've been away for a while, delete your old Firefox profile and re-import your setting. You'll be surprised at how much better Firefox is.

There needs to be a better solution than deleting your profile and starting from scratch.

https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/places-maintenance/ should do just fine?

Re: Firefox 3.6 vs 8.0

#59

Post by zobzu »

asadotzler wrote: post #12
zobzu wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a Firefox user and I agree with you. Now, it's not horrible, but it should have been handled better. They might have lost the battle to Chrome in the long run just because of that. (as Chrome has several advantages such as TV ads, billboards ads, included with all major software and often without an easy way to opt-out, ads on all major websites including the most major one, various lock-in attempts with major si…

We've added millions of Firefox users since the move to the faster cadence. Another thing worth noting, we've been shipping updates about every 4 weeks from the beginning of the Firefox product's life. They were noisy and asked you to restart Firefox and prompted with UAC dialogs, and showed a progress meter when you were started. There's nothing new about all of that. We're probably showing that stuff less often now…

As you said some of the issues have been fixed already - and hopefully we can put all this in the past soon - but.

Whereas Firefox still gains users, it doesn't gain them as fast as the competitors and it seems to me that it is due to the bad press (even if from uninformed users, or from Google 'evangelists'). The bad press mainly came from the update issues, even thus some are gone now. That's the point I was raising.

Re: Firefox 3.6 vs 8.0

#60

Post by thejteam »

daave wrote: post #21
slowpoke wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I hope unnoticeable updates become the norm for all desktop software. As long as you can turn that off, sure. I don't like software bypassing my package managers. Firefox is so far the sole exception I'm okay with since I'm using the Nightly builds and don't update as often. But for everything else, that would be a nightmare. I like to be in control of my updates, thank you.

It's time to let go and trust the developers of the software you're using to know when updates are stable, or when you really need a critical bug or security fix (if you don't trust them, why are you running their software anyway?). Package managers are a great upgrade from having to manually update individual applications, and are still great for servers or other cases where upgrading can break crucial pieces of inf…

That makes sense for security fixes and other internal issues. I would love an update that makes things faster. What I object to are auto-updates that change the user interface. In my opinion ANY interface changes should be user directed. If the new interface is better in some way, take the time and explain why.

EDIT: spelling

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