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Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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Post by kijin » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 3:38 AM UTC

pork wrote: post #50

kijin wrote: post #44

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Maybe they actually think it's realistic to hire a couple of million people to screen online content. After all, they have more than a billion people, and they also have extensive experience with their outsourced call centers.

You do realize that not all of India, especially its politicians, are involved in call center activities, correct? I hope you also realize that life in India doesn't revolve around call centers, even though that's the most contact with India many westerners have.

Of course I understand that call centers make up only a tiny part of the Indian economy. But I can certainly imagine these politicians thinking, "Wouldn't it be really easy for Google and Facebook to hire a few thousand people here in India (who know the language, culture, etc.) to monitor the web in real time?" Hiring human censors would be completely unrealistic in countries like the United States, but maybe it doesn't sound so far-fetched in countries with low wages and a large population.

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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Post by teja1990 » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 4:38 AM UTC

kijin wrote: post #45

threepointone wrote: post #4

Ridiculous - "At the meeting, Mr. Sibal showed attendees a Facebook page that maligned the Congress Party’s president, Sonia Gandhi. “This is unacceptable,” he told attendees, the executive said, and he asked them to find a way to monitor what is posted on their sites." I'm not allowed to criticize my government in a public forum? Pardon my language, but this is fucking ridiculous.

> Mr. Sibal > fucking ridiculous. "Sibal" actually means "fucking" in Korean. Coincidence?

I wish he knew that ;)

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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Post by teja1990 » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 4:40 AM UTC

Someone please remind Mr.Sibal that India is a democracy , one of the largest of its kind!!

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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Post by teja1990 » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 4:43 AM UTC

brettnak wrote: post #37

tomjen3 wrote: post #13

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It is funny how much people who don't contribute to the world think they get to tell other people what to do.

I agree. As much as I disagree with Ayn Rand on some things, she certainly disliked uselessness as much as I do. I can't help but wonder if certain aspects of her future's government in Atlas Shrugged is the natural end stage of a government.

I wish if Google and FB said, " Sorry Sibal we don't censor results , if u insist we would leave!" Though its not viable , it will scare the politicians.

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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Post by Lawliet_Kira » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 4:58 AM UTC

prayag wrote: post #39

lisperforlife wrote: post #28

Sibal is an idiot. Nobody in India takes him seriously. When he is not busy kissing sonia and rahul's ass, he talks from his own.

I disagree. I think Sibal is one of the smarter and honest guy in the government. I do think people take him seriously. He is the person behind the $35 tablet, he is moving the country from an absolute points based system of grading to relative grade based system and is opening up more IITs. He has risen among the ranks in the government to Human Resources and Education Minister. You might not agree with what he does…

Yes,I agree. The way he has managed his sector is brilliant.Last month I went to 'panchayat samiti' at taluka level and shocked to see that people were using UNIX and tablet Pc for their daily work.They sure have come long way.

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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Post by lisperforlife » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 7:51 AM UTC

prayag wrote: post #39

lisperforlife wrote: post #28

Sibal is an idiot. Nobody in India takes him seriously. When he is not busy kissing sonia and rahul's ass, he talks from his own.

I disagree. I think Sibal is one of the smarter and honest guy in the government. I do think people take him seriously. He is the person behind the $35 tablet, he is moving the country from an absolute points based system of grading to relative grade based system and is opening up more IITs. He has risen among the ranks in the government to Human Resources and Education Minister. You might not agree with what he does…

May be he is smarter than the other utter idiots around him but he is still an idiot nevertheless. https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23IdiotKapilSibal

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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Post by movingahead » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 11:21 AM UTC

kijin wrote: post #51

pork wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that not all of India, especially its politicians, are involved in call center activities, correct? I hope you also realize that life in India doesn't revolve around call centers, even though that's the most contact with India many westerners have.

Of course I understand that call centers make up only a tiny part of the Indian economy. But I can certainly imagine these politicians thinking, "Wouldn't it be really easy for Google and Facebook to hire a few thousand people here in India (who know the language, culture, etc.) to monitor the web in real time?" Hiring human censors would be completely unrealistic in countries like the United States, but maybe it doe…

Do you understand that a country with a large population will also have a large amount of user-generated content? It is not people with low wages, but court of law which should have the power to decide what content is inflammatory. The meaning of freedom and democracy doesn't vary with amount of population.

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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Post by movingahead » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 11:23 AM UTC

bishnu wrote: post #30

yalogin wrote: post #12

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Haa. Sonia Gandhi is not technically part of the government. But of course she is more powerful than the government.

What? She is an elected member of parliament. She is in every way a part of the government. Her role is not reflective of the power she yields but that is a separate issue.

An elected member of parliament is not a member of government in India, and I guess, everywhere else. Legislature and executive are two separate parts of a democracy.

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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Post by movingahead » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 11:28 AM UTC

prayag wrote: post #38

bad_user wrote: post #33

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In case you are trying to give justifications for these requests because this has been going on since the pre-internet era , then don't - freedom of speech should be a fundamental right of all people.

I am justifying anything. I am telling it how it. People in the US think of freedom of speech as a fundamental right which it should be. This is not the case with most other countries. It's the same as people in other countries thinking that universal healthcare should be a fundamental right, many people in the US don't agree. I personally am in favor of both being fundamental rights.

@prayag : Right to Freedom of Speech is a legally enforceable Fundamental Right in India. Are we talking about different Indias ?

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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Post by kijin » Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 5:28 PM UTC

movingahead wrote: post #57

kijin wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course I understand that call centers make up only a tiny part of the Indian economy. But I can certainly imagine these politicians thinking, "Wouldn't it be really easy for Google and Facebook to hire a few thousand people here in India (who know the language, culture, etc.) to monitor the web in real time?" Hiring human censors would be completely unrealistic in countries like the United States, but maybe it doe…

Do you understand that a country with a large population will also have a large amount of user-generated content? It is not people with low wages, but court of law which should have the power to decide what content is inflammatory. The meaning of freedom and democracy doesn't vary with amount of population.

> It is not people with low wages, but court of law which should have the power to decide what content is inflammatory

I completely agree with you. It's Mr. Sibal who seems to think that human censors are not only a good idea but also realistic.