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India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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post #29

This seems to be a fairly reoccurring theme - countries requesting internet sites to mass censor user content. Rarely though do they understand the scale of what that means. In the article, it stated that they wanted each item to be screened by a human. In the same way that I'll quote a client a much larger price if they want IE6 support, I often don't see why these companies don't just quote the country a price for…

The request itself may be clueless, however you can easily mass censor content that contains certain keywords. It can get pretty effective too, as is the case with spam filtering. You could even detect the tone of the article - if it's a positive or a negative one. Plus you can hellban the users too and they won't notice the censorship until much later. So I don't get what a discussion of costs will bring, as there's…

"The request itself may be clueless, however you can easily mass censor content that contains certain keywords."

Then you get ridiculous situations for mass banned keywords like recently in Pakistan or for a long time in China, most recently 'jasmine tea' was banned. China arguably has the most 'sophisticated' censorship system in the world, with over a million staff policing internet content & developing systems to monitor content, but it is still noticeable to users. So your theory that it can be implemented without notice is largely false.

Its also quite easy to get around most keywords by using slang or alternatives for political leaders, such as 'The Old Man' (usually negative) for Robert Mugabe, 'Mr Bow Tie' (sarcastic, negative) for HK CE Donald Tsang or 'The Lady' (positive) for Aung San Suu Kyi. Using single initials is also popular.

I've lived in several dictatorships & the ingenuity of anti-censorship can be quite simple to overcome complex systems.

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

#42
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This I don't understand. Most of the Chinese and Indian politicians have STEM backgrounds. In theory, they are supposed to be very smart and critical thinkers. I find it hard to believe that someone that believes in the theory of evolution and the laws of thermodynamics doesn't have the same regard for freedom of expression or the cost of the human life.

Where did you get this glorious idea from, about Indian politicians? Half of the parliament probably never finished high school.

Some CNN, I believe, news report comparing American politicians to Indian, Asian, and European politicians. Basically, Asian leadership were engineers and scientists so have a GTD attitude to policy. Which is contrasted to American politicians who come from all types of backgrounds, but the most powerful person in the room might not be the brightest.

And if you've been following the GOP debates lately you can see our leadership act like complete buffoons.

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

#43
post #20

Have the Indian politicians learnt nothing from the events unfolding in the Middle-East this entire year? Or could it be that they _have_ seen the power of the 'net, and are scared? This (defamatory pages) could just be a ruse to assert control over the 'net, to prevent an Indian Jasmine Revolution.

An 'Indian Jasmine Revolution' is highly unlikely in India because there are at least the relatively free-and-fair elections that are/were completely absent in Libya, Tunisia, Syria, Egypt, Yemen....

There might be massive corruption in the main parties, nationally, regionally and locally, but there is at least something of a choice and a possible release for the pressure-valve of public opinion.

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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post #2

Just. Wow. Mind boggling amounts of stupidity. "In the second meeting with the same executives in late November, Mr. Sibal told them that he expected them to use human beings to screen content, not technology, the executive said. The three executives said Mr. Sibal has told these companies that he expects them to set up a proactive prescreening system, with staffers looking for objectionable content and deleting it b…

Maybe they actually think it's realistic to hire a couple of million people to screen online content. After all, they have more than a billion people, and they also have extensive experience with their outsourced call centers.

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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Ridiculous - "At the meeting, Mr. Sibal showed attendees a Facebook page that maligned the Congress Party’s president, Sonia Gandhi. “This is unacceptable,” he told attendees, the executive said, and he asked them to find a way to monitor what is posted on their sites." I'm not allowed to criticize my government in a public forum? Pardon my language, but this is fucking ridiculous.

> Mr. Sibal

> fucking ridiculous.

"Sibal" actually means "fucking" in Korean. Coincidence?

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

#46
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case you are trying to give justifications for these requests because this has been going on since the pre-internet era , then don't - freedom of speech should be a fundamental right of all people.

I am justifying anything. I am telling it how it. People in the US think of freedom of speech as a fundamental right which it should be. This is not the case with most other countries. It's the same as people in other countries thinking that universal healthcare should be a fundamental right, many people in the US don't agree. I personally am in favor of both being fundamental rights.

I'm NOT from the US, I'm from an ex-Communist Eastern Europe country.

Universal healthcare involves government spending. We do have it were I live, however it's not working out because of a lack of funds. So the medical personnel takes bribery to do their job, otherwise receiving proper care is like winning the lottery. IMHO, universal healthcare is nice to have, however it's not on the same level as freedom of speech.

Nothing else is as important as freedom of speech. Why? Because by having freedom of speech, then the people can make informed decisions regarding their future and the future of their children. And only by having freedom of speech you can then hope for a corruption-free government, that maybe will give you proper universal healthcare when they'll be able to afford it.

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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post #2

Just. Wow. Mind boggling amounts of stupidity. "In the second meeting with the same executives in late November, Mr. Sibal told them that he expected them to use human beings to screen content, not technology, the executive said. The three executives said Mr. Sibal has told these companies that he expects them to set up a proactive prescreening system, with staffers looking for objectionable content and deleting it b…

Oh, so they are simply working on fixing unemployment problem in India! :)

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

#49
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is funny how much people who don't contribute to the world think they get to tell other people what to do.

I agree. As much as I disagree with Ayn Rand on some things, she certainly disliked uselessness as much as I do. I can't help but wonder if certain aspects of her future's government in Atlas Shrugged is the natural end stage of a government.

You don't have to be a fan of miss rand to believe that politicians shouldn't live high while the people who make their food suffer.

Re: India Asks Google, Facebook to Screen User Content

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post #44
post #2

Just. Wow. Mind boggling amounts of stupidity. "In the second meeting with the same executives in late November, Mr. Sibal told them that he expected them to use human beings to screen content, not technology, the executive said. The three executives said Mr. Sibal has told these companies that he expects them to set up a proactive prescreening system, with staffers looking for objectionable content and deleting it b…

Maybe they actually think it's realistic to hire a couple of million people to screen online content. After all, they have more than a billion people, and they also have extensive experience with their outsourced call centers.

You do realize that not all of India, especially its politicians, are involved in call center activities, correct? I hope you also realize that life in India doesn't revolve around call centers, even though that's the most contact with India many westerners have.
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