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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by znpy » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 10:58 PM UTC

I switched to the iPhone and, under some aspects… it’s so much better. I had an iPhone for on call duty previously.

If you see the phone as just a tool, the iphone has no rivals.

It either can or cannot do something. You don’t have to evaluate seven different brands.

The ui is okay, and once you get used to it you’ll 99.9% recognise the ui in the next iphone.

It’s small! The iphone se is beautifully small. Yet fast and snappy.

And the next time I can get the next iphone without thinking too much. Which is huge. Xiaomi today might be good, and xiaomi tomorrow might be trash. Same for samsung. Same for pixel.

No wonder.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by sbuk » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 10:59 PM UTC

munk-a wrote: post #419

sbuk wrote: post #366

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Here’s a crazy idea. Why not fix the problem at the source? Address the entitled behaviour of teenagers.

If you want to fix teenage rebellion and cliquishness I applaud your efforts. I certainly personally suffered from bullying when I was a teenager over my clothes and haircut and pretty much every other facet of my person so if you can come up with a way for no one to ever endure it again I'd celebrate your achievement. Humanity hasn't managed to impart real empathy on teenagers in thousands of years of existence - we…

> So, maybe instead of focusing on bullying we can just focus on punishing companies that profit from bullying.

This is an extreme take. Yes bullying is is a consequence of society. Don’t be lazy and blame someone else for your societies ills. Especially when the solution is simple: encouraging the use of an alternative. No. RCS isn’t the alternative. WhatsApp, Line, Telegram, Signal, Snapchat, TikTok, Discord etc, etc, etc are all mature, are used widely by the rest of the world (where SMS is practically free to use as well). The easier solution, and much cheaper for everyone is to change behaviour. It’s extremely naïve to think that changing the colour of a bubble will stop this sort of bullying.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by seydor » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 11:00 PM UTC

eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

how do you know that iphone works?

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by supa-osum » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 11:02 PM UTC

syntaxing wrote: post #493

Used Android since like the original HTC phone in my early teens, owned probably 6-7 android phones in my life (majority Google since the good old Nexus days). My first iPhone was the 12 and as of now, I think my kids first phone will be an iPhone. The walled garden is annoying and monopolistic but an iPhone just works. 2 years later, my iPhone is still going strong and I don’t even want to change my phone for the ne…

Have been using OnePlus 6 for 4 years now, no issues so far. Maybe it's the Pixel phones then?

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by XorNot » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 11:02 PM UTC

shawabawa3 wrote: post #82

rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

Do people on androids in the US actually use SMS? My experience in the UK and France is WhatsApp/telegram have basically 100% penetration and SMS is only used by businesses and 2fa

Same in Australia although American cultural bullshit tends to leak/be adopted. So the blue/green bubble probably will become a thing with our teenagers after they import it via social media.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Maursault » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 11:02 PM UTC

sho_hn wrote: post #460

Maursault wrote: post #420

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I think you have a nice intentionally harmless approach to this, but I'm still not sure how iMessage is exclusive of other protocols rather than conveniently saving the users from cell providers' charges for SMS and MMS when possible. iMessage still supports SMS and MMS, and it only prioritizes its iMessage protocol when messaging other Apple device users. I don't use iMessage and never have, but my understanding is…

My take here is that if iMessage is truly a Better Tool, I'd be great if it was available on any computer that fulfills the hardware requirements to participate. For example, Apple could release an iMessage app for Android (and if they priced it fairly, this would still be cheaper than an iPhone, yet still turn them a profit). Or release specs so others can do so. Do I think they should be or should feel obligated to…

> if it was available on any computer that fulfills the hardware requirements to participate

Thank you, that's the walled garden perspective I was missing, same as the complaint of those that want to run macOS on non-Mac hw. Usually the walled garden complaints are from the other side of the wall, Apple device users being prevented from installing what they want unless it is already available from AppStore. I didn't consider the other side of that wall.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by LocalPCGuy » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 11:03 PM UTC

sosodev wrote: post #434

LocalPCGuy wrote: post #415

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Because of the insistence on anecdotes rather than actual industry reports to back up the claim. Even your claim is your personal anecdote. But when you dive into actual industry repair reports, Pixels do not (at least in the ones I've looked at) stand up in terms of being "historically poor quality". For every anecdote of someone having an issue, there are a large majority that just use their phone day in and day ou…

Can you link said industry repair report? I've not heard of such a thing. I know you want to write my experience off as "bad luck" but I had several high-end Android phones with serious hardware and/or software issues before I made the switch. I really wanted to like Android but I also want a phone that works. :/

I am not writing off your experience. I am saying, that while your experience is valid for you, it cannot be extrapolated industry wide.

For the report, I don't have a link handy. I looked into this in the past and was able to find a few different reports of that nature. I haven't looked for one in the last year or two, so like I said in another comment, if things have changed and what I read is out of date now, I'd be happy to have an update as well.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by _-david-_ » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 11:05 PM UTC

Huh1337 wrote: post #483

ipaddr wrote: post #454

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Your Samsung has more tracking and spyware installed you won't be able to uninstall. Never buy a Samsung and expect privacy.

Samsung has unlockable bootloader and good LineageOS support. Unheard of with these $20 phones. And even without flashing, I'd still rather be tracked by Samsung than whatever they put into these $20 ones.

Only some Samsung's have unlockable bootloaders.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by GeekyBear » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 11:05 PM UTC

redavni wrote: post #492

nomel wrote: post #467

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> SMS conversations in iMessage lose features. "Lose" makes it sound like they could be found. Are the features even possible to implement with SMS?

Technically yes, Realistically there isn't a need. The iMessage feature set has been mostly matched by RCS on Android. Apple does not want compatible messaging.

Google's version of RCS on Android is a proprietary closed source fork of RCS that Google refuses to provide a public API for.

> Google's version of RCS—the one promoted on the website with Google-exclusive features like optional encryption—is definitely proprietary, by the way.

If this is supposed to be a standard, there's no way for a third-party to use Google's RCS APIs right now. Some messaging apps, like Beeper, have asked Google about integrating RCS and were told there's no public RCS API and no plans to build one.

If you want to implement RCS, you'll need to run the messages through some kind of service, and who provides that server? It will probably be Google.

So the pitch for Apple to adopt RCS isn't just this public-good nonsense about making texts with Android users better; it's also about running Apple's messages through Google servers. Google profits in both server fees and data acquisition.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs...

SMS is a universal standard supported by even the oldest devices that will still connect to current cellular networks.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by CharlesW » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 11:06 PM UTC

XorNot wrote: post #436

jl6 wrote: post #237

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On the other hand, this seems like a teachable moment, where perhaps kids can be encouraged not to marginalize others based on trivial differences in messaging apps. The drumbeat of inclusivity is pretty loud these days so it shouldn’t come as too great a surprise that including their green bubble friends would be the decent thing to do. I don’t place much blame on Apple for completely stereotypically standard teenag…

Why is the answer not to force interoperability? This is exactly what we should be doing because it's generally good for the communications ecosystem and the overall marketplace. It's not an answer to the problem of teenagers having to learn decency, but I'm failing to see a downside to taking Apple to task on this.

> Why is the answer not to force interoperability?

Do you want the U.S. government to just strong-arm a private company into adopting a not-very-popular plaintext messaging standard, or do you want them to force the licensing of Google's proprietary extensions that support encryption for 1-to-1 messages as well? (Even with proprietary extensions, group messages are always plaintext.)