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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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crazygringo wrote: post #344
heavyset_go wrote: post #301

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You can get a new Android phone for $20. The charging cables alone for an iPhone, which don't come with the phone, cost $19 each by themselves.

What are you talking about? No you can't. If you're talking about an unlocked smartphone that you can install apps on, there is absolutely no such thing as a new Android phone for $20 that any American consumer can buy. The Samsung Galaxy A03s is Samsung's cheapest, it's considered "ultra-budget", and it costs $160. The Moto G Pure, Motorola's cheapest, is also $160. (Edit in response to comments: yes if you buy a lo…

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by iamthirsty »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #81
heavyset_go wrote: post #24

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We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…

I just got a backup iPhone SE for $430. It's fantastic. Same chip as recent iPhones. Very decent camera. Better battery life than my 13 pro. Actually fits in pocket. More fun to play games with one-handed. Easily will last 5 years with a case. Not a luxury device, but pretty competitive with what a lot of young people in even middle-income countries would pay for phones.

With the SE (and regular 13 & 14) having not-that-great 60 Hrz displays, I could never switch from my 13 Pro to anything else but a 14 Pro (that's why my second phone is a Pixel 6 Pro [or sometimes a OnePlus 10 Pro], as 120 Hrz & 1440p are requirements for a phone to be in my pocket).

I used to have a SE (2nd Gen), prior to ever experiencing a better display, and now I can never go back,

However, if the came out with an SE that did have 120&1440p, I would definitely buy.

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Post by hatsix »

Retric wrote: post #393
est31 wrote: post #296

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There is nobody preventing Apple from developing an Android app for iMessage. They already have a bunch of apps on the play store, including one for Apple TV, Beats, and a migration app for iOS. https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Apple

Apple can’t provide the same assurance that an android app is secured. The degree that matters is of course debatable, but it is one of their talking points.

Apple can't provide assurance that browsers are secured, but they allow for iMessage in browsers.

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Post by sosodev »

LocalPCGuy wrote: post #415
sosodev wrote: post #391

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I don't know why you're being downvoted. They most certainly have had historically poor build quality. My Pixel 2 began boot looping after a couple of years of use and apparently that was motherboard quality issue that had been around since the Nexus line. I got a replacement and it happened again after another few months. Google "Pixel 2 bootloop" and you'll find thousands of threads from people with this issue. Tha…

Because of the insistence on anecdotes rather than actual industry reports to back up the claim. Even your claim is your personal anecdote. But when you dive into actual industry repair reports, Pixels do not (at least in the ones I've looked at) stand up in terms of being "historically poor quality". For every anecdote of someone having an issue, there are a large majority that just use their phone day in and day ou…

Can you link said industry repair report? I've not heard of such a thing.

I know you want to write my experience off as "bad luck" but I had several high-end Android phones with serious hardware and/or software issues before I made the switch.

I really wanted to like Android but I also want a phone that works. :/

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Post by hparadiz »

connectsnk wrote: post #407

Is there no one who feels that kids shouldn’t have iPhones until they are 18 and don’t accidentally put information online that leads predators to them?

As someone who was on the internet by age 12 and was coding by 15 I see this argument and can't help but shake my head.

If you want your kids to grow up with zero street smarts or ability to distinguish threats then sure. By all means keep them locked in their bedrooms till 18 too.

Don't be surprised when they stop talking to you by age 21.

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Post by XorNot »

jl6 wrote: post #237
heavyset_go wrote: post #24

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We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…

On the other hand, this seems like a teachable moment, where perhaps kids can be encouraged not to marginalize others based on trivial differences in messaging apps. The drumbeat of inclusivity is pretty loud these days so it shouldn’t come as too great a surprise that including their green bubble friends would be the decent thing to do. I don’t place much blame on Apple for completely stereotypically standard teenag…

Why is the answer not to force interoperability? This is exactly what we should be doing because it's generally good for the communications ecosystem and the overall marketplace.

It's not an answer to the problem of teenagers having to learn decency, but I'm failing to see a downside to taking Apple to task on this.

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Post by dozgon »

to-too-two wrote: post #235
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #153

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I see this a lot around here. HN user hates company with a passion but buys their products rather than deal with some minor annoyance. I guess you don't hate Apple with a passion then.

You can hate the King with a passion but still pay your taxes. Sometimes people feel like they barely have a choice and can hate them in-part for that too. I hate Verizon and Comcast with a passion but if it’s between them or no internet access, well I hardly call that a choice.

I would like to use a Google-free phone. However, online banking apps (e.g., N26) require you to have a mainstream phone (Android/iOS). You can't have root access, since apparently those banking apps won't work then. You need to have a SIM card as well, and you need to identify yourself when purchasing one. I really hate all that. At this point, I dream to live without smart technology as much as possible. Living mostly with "dumb tech". "Smart" ain't smart for us, it seems, it is for the benefit of those companies (e.g. Samsung TV's). More control, I suppose. Can you install uBlock Origin on a Samsung TV?

Furthermore, Samsung phones come with bloat, and you can't even remove them easily.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #59
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #6

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They would rather be dead than be uncool! Yikes.

A lot of teenagers would rather be dead than uncool. One day, someone will figure out how to become a "blue bubble" with an android, and that person will make a lot of money.

> A lot of teenagers would rather be dead than uncool.

and the more we push this culture-magnified story about teenagers, the more this will might approach actually being true. An awful lot of teenagers would much rather be uncool than dead, actually like their parents, don't find school terrible and so on. But for some reason, our culture has been spinning a yarn about them for decades now that both stands in opposition to the truth, and has simultaneously reshaped it.

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Post by jansan »

croisillon wrote: post #308
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #240

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I know the "green vs blue bubbles" gets a lot of press, but as someone who is not a teenager, and on the contrary is considerably past middle age at this point, that is not the real reason iMessage has a stranglehold on users. I've got an Android, and I recently went on a vacation with a group of friends who all had iPhones. I did feel a bit like a leper in the group chat we had set up for our vacation, and it wasn't…

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42799 karma, but you should have seen all his other throwaways.

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Post by tbenst »

bloqs wrote: post #322

Americans, do people not use whatsapp over there? In Europe everyone uses whatsapp for literally everything, with a sprinkling of Telegram if you are into something a little subversive and Signal if you actually care about privacy. The only time I use text/sms is to recieve codes for things, and I'm doing that less and less.

Mainly use WhatsApp to chat with European friends or a group chat that includes someone with android. Else it’s all iMessage, Telegram, Signal, and Slack / Discord for more community groups. And the occasional Instagram or Twitter DMs. (And that’s not even mentioning WeChat, Facebook Messenger, GroupMe, …).

Amazing how fragmented the messaging space has become.

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