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Post by iamthirsty »

threatofrain wrote: post #292
iamthirsty wrote: post #281

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You haven't looked that much into it then; RCS has encryption[0], and works great for me. (I have an iPhone 13 Pro & a Pixel 6 Pro. RCS works as well as iMessage for Android-to-Android devices, for me.) [0]: https://www.gstatic.com/messages/papers/messages_e2ee.pdf

Is that RCS having encryption or is that Google providing an extension to RCS only with their Messages app? And to what degree does RCS with encryption have buy-in from American carriers?

RCS is an open source protocol that can be run by different 'operators'[0]. So it's not so much as an extension, as Google's implementation of the protocol (which is open source and can be added by other operators).

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by hparadiz »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #385
endtime wrote: post #282

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Have you tried a Pixel? I've been happily using them for years.

I've had Nexus 4->6 and Pixel 1->4. I don't understand the complaints about Android phones not working. With that said I wish I didn't have to choose between surveillance device Pixels or walled garden iPhones.

Have you tried a Sony phone?

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by reaperducer »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #174
threatofrain wrote: post #115

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What is the difference to Nike providing kids with flashy shoes when the sole purpose is class and coolness? According to the same report, Nike is the most preferred fashion brand among teens. At least with Apple's message indication you know you're getting encryption and thus privacy from carriers. Would it be less problematic if Apple simply mentioned "warning: this is unencrypted SMS"?

Apple is free to open the iMessage ecosystem if they'd like to allow Android to send encrypted messages to iPhones as well. The truth is that Apple isn't doing this to help customers identify unencrypted messages. They are doing this for the network effect.

They are doing this for the network effect.

This is what people in the hate-Apple echo chamber like to chant, but it's wrong.

When Apple started doing it, there was no network effect.

The color choice was made years before everyone started freaking out about green and blue bubbles.

It was done to show that a message went over SMS, and not iMessage at a time when many Americans paid for each SMS sent, but iMessages were data, and thus included in data plans.

  Blue=free
  Green=10¢
It served as a warning that you were spending money. I suspect that's why it's green.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by jiggawatts »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #330
brundolf wrote: post #269

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SMS has always been pretty broken for group chats and multimedia. I don't think we can blame Apple for that We could blame Apple for not making an Android iMessage app, though

But points being: 1. RCS is now available and a standard. iMessage already "degrades" to sending SMS messages to those not on iMessage. There is no reason they can't better support RCS. 2. While MMS groups were missing a ton of features, there are just things now that are much worse as an Android user interacting with an iMessage group than it was previously in an MMS group. I.e. I never used to have issues with drop…

There's many reasons not to support RCS.

It is a bag of standard parts thrown together by a bunch of telecommunications companies in a desperate attempt to hold on to their 50c per message cash cow.

If you spend more than a minute actually looking into it, you'll realise that Apple would basically have to run it in a virtual machine for security, and then hand over control to a bunch of telcos that can't even all agree on what is and isn't included in RCS.

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Post by belkarx »

digitallyfree wrote: post #370
smcleod wrote: post #102

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You think giving them phones from an Ad company is a win /against/ the marketing industry?

I'd call it a win if you get them into rooting and custom distros like Lineage (which might give them a better overall appreciation of how tech works, encourage them to tinker, etc.)

With big-tech algorithms working against that, weakening their minds so they just accept the easy, clean route of what is put in front of them /s ... good luck :-)

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Post by colinmhayes »

elif wrote: post #275
tuatoru wrote: post #192

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Anything that has 87% of the market is by definition mass-market. Edit: Back in the '90s, PC Magazine had a saying, "the PC you want costs $3,000". This figure was fairly stable despite the improvement in PCs' performance over the decade. By this standard, and considering that as well as a PC it's a phone, a camera, an atlas and an encyclopedia, a TV and a music player, the iPhone doesn't seem too much like a luxury.

87% of the children* I wouldn't call Finding Nemo or it's current equivalent mass market even though I have no doubt 87% of children have seen >.

You don't think finding nemo is mass market?

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

dariosalvi78 wrote: post #155
shawabawa3 wrote: post #82

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Do people on androids in the US actually use SMS? My experience in the UK and France is WhatsApp/telegram have basically 100% penetration and SMS is only used by businesses and 2fa

iMessage is a very US thing

... a very US thing for people with iPhones. Which exist in a ratio of about 9:1 vs Android users, apparently.

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Post by robbyking »

klyrs wrote: post #149
mymythisisthis wrote: post #101

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But the kids with the iPhones will be the financier controlling the purse strings. See the Commodore vs. IBM clones vs. Mac in the early 1980s. Apple wins because wealthy people use them, it's Apple's advantage.

I guarantee that kids who grow up to be financiers won't be a significant fraction of the 87%. Just like kids wearing Air Jordans when I was in school didn't all grow up to be pro ball players.

It's at least arguable that kids that grow up with the means to afford new iPhones will be more likely to have the means to go to a good college.

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Post by twobitshifter »

bandyaboot wrote: post #209
twobitshifter wrote: post #72

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Let’s not forget that on the original iPhone, all the bubbles were green because it only had sms. When iMessage came to the iPhone, Apple didn’t intend to rule the world with blue bubbles, blue was just an indication that you were talking to one of the few other iPhone users.

I definitely think part of it was to make those iMessages more visually appealing. I don’t think they knew how well it was going to work, but to some degree I do think this is what they were going for.

I mean it’s possible, but the messages icon on the iPhone is a green bubble itself. So are the phone and Facetime icons. I think Apple actually liked Green! They uses it on the most important apps on the phone.

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Post by Alupis »

gleenn wrote: post #223
camhart wrote: post #178

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Only reason its not encrypted is because Apple won't allow it to be.

Citation needed. Is this really true? I keep hearing about RCS etc but I also keep hearing it's not actually a good standard. Not even sure it does encryption frankly.

It's the same old story of perfect being the enemy of good (plus clear ulterior motives for Apple).

Adding RCS compatibility would negatively impact precisely zero iPhone users, and would positively impact literally everyone (including iPhone users!).

RCS may have its warts, but I do not see Apple proposing a better standard? Everyone agrees SMS/MMS is about as bad as it can be... and there's already a lot of industry buy-in outside of Apple for supporting RCS.

Get with the program Apple...

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