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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by iamthirsty »

gleenn wrote: post #223
camhart wrote: post #178

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Only reason its not encrypted is because Apple won't allow it to be.

Citation needed. Is this really true? I keep hearing about RCS etc but I also keep hearing it's not actually a good standard. Not even sure it does encryption frankly.

You haven't looked that much into it then; RCS has encryption[0], and works great for me. (I have an iPhone 13 Pro & a Pixel 6 Pro. RCS works as well as iMessage for Android-to-Android devices, for me.)

[0]: https://www.gstatic.com/messages/papers/messages_e2ee.pdf

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Post by endtime »

eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

Have you tried a Pixel? I've been happily using them for years.

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

flutas wrote: post #243
twobitshifter wrote: post #72

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Let’s not forget that on the original iPhone, all the bubbles were green because it only had sms. When iMessage came to the iPhone, Apple didn’t intend to rule the world with blue bubbles, blue was just an indication that you were talking to one of the few other iPhone users.

> When iMessage came to the iPhone, Apple didn’t intend to rule the world with blue bubbles, blue was just an indication that you were talking to one of the few other iPhone users. While I want to agree with that statement, Apple really makes it obvious that they try to make SMS suck compared to iMessage. The biggest glaring example is the green and blue shown in their messaging app. Their design guidelines literally…

Someone did a blog post about that, but it was actually misinformation (literally).

The Contrast between Green and Blue is actually roughly identical, it's just that both colors fade upward as time passes. So, the author picked a green bubble from higher up (which had faded), and a blue bubble from the bottom (which was fresh and dark), thereby comparing Apples and Oranges. Both have similar contrast when freshly sent and arrived, and similar faded contrast.

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Post by tannhaeuser »

m348e912 wrote: post #8
rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

(iPhone user here) It does seem to me that Apple isn't playing fair and this is no longer the technical issue it once was. Apple has so far refused to adopt RCS (the successor to SMS and MMS) which is now an industry standard for text messaging. Because of that, aside from the green bubble, the text messaging experience with non-iPhone users is subpar. Images and videos are compressed and things like tapback and grou…

Lol RCS a standard. Because Google says so, just as with so-called "web standards"? In the real world, people use WhatsApp, SnapChat, Insta, Telegram, Signal, and, in fact, iMessage and SMS/MMS.

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Post by heavyset_go »

twobitshifter wrote: post #47
heavyset_go wrote: post #24

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We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…

Is the iPhone se really luxury? If you are starting from the idea that every teen will have a smart phone, I think apple has blanketed the market with products at all the cost points.

You can walk into a prepaid wireless store and grab a new Android phone for $20.

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Post by _yb2s »

michaelmrose wrote: post #151
twobitshifter wrote: post #47

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Is the iPhone se really luxury? If you are starting from the idea that every teen will have a smart phone, I think apple has blanketed the market with products at all the cost points.

The average worldwide cost of a smartphone is ~$300. Android phones can be bought new in box for $50-$170. The iphone SE which is basically last years model starts at $429 and comes without the power bring which allows you to plug into an outlet which costs an additional $18. That is iphones start at a cost more than the majority spend on a phone admittedly worldwide but that isn't what I call all cost points.

The Apple website prices only reflect the top end of the iPhone market. The iPhone SE 2nd generation is still sold new directly from low price/prepaid carriers for under half that price (right now $189 on the Tracfone website for example, probably even cheaper elsewhere). Compare that to new Android phones in the same price range which often are loaded with adware/spyware apps that cannot be uninstalled, and blocked from all security/software updates, the longevity makes an older SE competitive with the cheapest 3rd world country android phones in the long term, and with performance that exceeds even the highest end Android phones because of a better cpu.

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Post by YinLuck- »

cercatrova wrote: post #187
higgins wrote: post #124

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Would love to hear your thoughts on what makes Android "one of the most amazing platforms out there"?

I can run apps I download from anywhere I want, for one, like I can on laptop.

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Post by AustinDev »

aendruk wrote: post #177
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

> So I guess you win Apple You can still push back against the bubble elitism: Settings → Messages → iMessage Off. My bubble’s not turning blue until Android users can participate.

This works if you're ok with sending all your messages in cleartext over your phone's radio.

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Post by com2kid »

nharada wrote: post #200
lynndotpy wrote: post #140

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My first smartphone, as a highschooler, was $40 (circle 2014). My first "luxury" phone was a $150 Android. A $430 price tag IS a lot.

In the US?? It was VERY rare to find a phone that cheap in 2014. I had a Nexus 5 in 2014 and it went for $350 ($437 in 2022 dollars). And that was considered a really good deal/budget phone.

Pixel 6a was on sale a couple weeks ago for $350.

I haven't ever paid more than $500 for a phone, and even that much upset me!

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