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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by filoleg »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #335
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #297

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Rumor has it that, despite Apple's public claims, one reason why is that iMessage is tied to a physical device. This helps keeps spam, malware, and banned devices all under control. Expanding to Windows and Android by definition means that iMessage can no longer have that per-device tie, which undermines these controls.

This is a total bullshit reason. Literally every other messaging app, including well regarded secure ones, have cross platform versions available.

Yeah, and that's exactly why I've never received spam through iMessage even once over many years (despite being active in a bunch of group chats and 1:1 conversations).

All while I receive whatsapp/telegram message spam on a fairly regular basis, despite not being active in any groups or channels on those apps (and in general, opening them maybe once or twice a week at most). The only reason I even use those 2 apps is to talk to select few old relatives of mine who are not very tech literate and who just happened to learn how to use those apps +a couple of friends who simply insist on using those apps.

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Post by howinteresting »

JPKab wrote: post #21

My 16 year old son has an iPhone because Apple has the best parental control integration built-in. Kids can always get around it, which is why I have monitoring the little bastard doesn't know about via my WiFi router, along with automated deactivation of his cellular data connection via a schedule with the carrier (after 10 PM on weekdays). The "green bubble" crap that I get from my iPhone owning buddies due to my P…

It's one thing to have monitoring that your kid knows about, but monitoring your kid doesn't know about is child abuse. 16 year olds are people too, and this is no different from installing spyware on your partner's phone because you suspect them of cheating.

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Post by vlan0 »

lostmsu wrote: post #345
vlan0 wrote: post #291

Want more data? I've got a campus with roughly 60k unique devices. 50% are iOS. Another 20% are MacOS. Android is 7%.

What are the rest? Windows laptops?

Windows is 18%. The rest are a mixed bag. All kinds of Linux/IoT.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by VoodooJuJu »

rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

I had hoped the younger generations would move away from being complicit in manufactured corporate status schemes, as a kind of rebellion against the terminally online & connected older generations. Sad to hear they're more compliant with these schemes than any other generation. Hopefully the next generation will rebel.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

endtime wrote: post #282
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

Have you tried a Pixel? I've been happily using them for years.

I've had Nexus 4->6 and Pixel 1->4. I don't understand the complaints about Android phones not working.

With that said I wish I didn't have to choose between surveillance device Pixels or walled garden iPhones.

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Post by jacobr1 »

elif wrote: post #275
tuatoru wrote: post #192

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Anything that has 87% of the market is by definition mass-market. Edit: Back in the '90s, PC Magazine had a saying, "the PC you want costs $3,000". This figure was fairly stable despite the improvement in PCs' performance over the decade. By this standard, and considering that as well as a PC it's a phone, a camera, an atlas and an encyclopedia, a TV and a music player, the iPhone doesn't seem too much like a luxury.

87% of the children* I wouldn't call Finding Nemo or it's current equivalent mass market even though I have no doubt 87% of children have seen >.

Why not? A "mass-market" paperback book means unit sales on the order of 100k/year

What level of market penetration would you expect? I would argue that most popular products still have a target vertical.

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Post by turtlebits »

KerrAvon wrote: post #138
robbyking wrote: post #97

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Since we're trading anecdotes, none of the iOS engineers on my team have Android phones, but about half of the Android engineers have iPhones.

That's insane -- your engineers should be dogfooding their stuff. It's 2022.

If you’re talking personal phones, that should have no bearing on your job. Your employer should give you the devices you need to do your work.

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Post by rootusrootus »

beckingz wrote: post #372
rootusrootus wrote: post #323

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> it's criminal that a vast reason they have so much market share is because of imessage and the fact that it's "broken" with SMS to some degree. That's just speculation, though. It's entirely plausible that the fundamental reason they have so much market share is because people agree with you: > I just want a phone that works. I've gone back and forth between Android and iPhone myself, and what draws me back to iPho…

Lower total cost of ownership? For an iPhone? That does not check out unless you're buying the extra fancy android phones.

Absolutely. iPhones have a much better resale value if you replace them every two or three years. And if you just want to keep them until they die, they receive updates for maybe 10 years.

I've never lost more money on phones than when I was buying flagship Android phones.

You might be able to spend less if you buy the crappiest Android phones. But that's not even a little bit comparable to the cheapest iPhone.

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Post by currenciessfe »

neaden wrote: post #23

This claim seems a little odd to me. I searched more about it and found this article: https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/06/gen-z-survey-says... from January saying the exact same thing as this fall survey, and this article form 2020 which says it was 86%: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/techland/apple-rules-86-pe... . I can't find an estimate for teen iPhone ownership besides this company but this just seems…

On instagram is even higher. 99% of influencers have iPhones.

Showing an Android is basically declaring you are some sort of a monster.

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Post by smcleod »

digitallyfree wrote: post #370
smcleod wrote: post #102

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You think giving them phones from an Ad company is a win /against/ the marketing industry?

I'd call it a win if you get them into rooting and custom distros like Lineage (which might give them a better overall appreciation of how tech works, encourage them to tinker, etc.)

Maybe... It's better than using Google/Samsung/whatever build of Android sure - but it's still feeding the google machine which is not a good thing. We need completely 'de-enterprised' Linux/BSD options.

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