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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Invictus0 »

chenshuiluke wrote: post #45
JPKab wrote: post #21

My 16 year old son has an iPhone because Apple has the best parental control integration built-in. Kids can always get around it, which is why I have monitoring the little bastard doesn't know about via my WiFi router, along with automated deactivation of his cellular data connection via a schedule with the carrier (after 10 PM on weekdays). The "green bubble" crap that I get from my iPhone owning buddies due to my P…

Why go to such lengths to monitor your 16yo?

I have a friend attending Stanford for undergrad whose parents monitor his location 24/7, and another dealing with the same nonsense at BU. If she wanders too far from the places she's supposed to be, she gets an angry call from parents/her long distance bf (who is also in on it somehow).

I guess even that isn't that bad compared to the parents that literally move across the country to wherever their kid is going to college so they can keep controlling them.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by bmitc »

heavyset_go wrote: post #24
rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…

This seriously concerns me. I'm almost of the opinion that teenagers should not have phones for anything other than strictly communicating: voice and video calls and messaging. But that cat is out of the bag and now we have people growing up literally addicted to devices that are very detrimental to brain development and intelligence, emotions, socialization, etc.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

m348e912 wrote: post #8
rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

(iPhone user here) It does seem to me that Apple isn't playing fair and this is no longer the technical issue it once was. Apple has so far refused to adopt RCS (the successor to SMS and MMS) which is now an industry standard for text messaging. Because of that, aside from the green bubble, the text messaging experience with non-iPhone users is subpar. Images and videos are compressed and things like tapback and grou…

I don't want RCS. Keep iMessage for people and very very limited businesses please.

https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/04/google-disables-rcs-ads-in...

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by AeroNotix »

Gatsky wrote: post #51
JPKab wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good opportunity to teach your kids about how crappy and shallow other kids can be, and also teach them how to respond to criticism like this. 20 years ago, you'd get shit for not wearing the cool kind of shoes your peers had.

This is it, if it wasn’t the phone it would be something else.

So therefore we let tactics like this slide? It is an intentional mechanism to create FOMO and groupthink by a corporation.

Just because kids are prone to being led in this way, doesn't mean those leading that behaviour get a pass.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by dalyons »

m348e912 wrote: post #8
rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

(iPhone user here) It does seem to me that Apple isn't playing fair and this is no longer the technical issue it once was. Apple has so far refused to adopt RCS (the successor to SMS and MMS) which is now an industry standard for text messaging. Because of that, aside from the green bubble, the text messaging experience with non-iPhone users is subpar. Images and videos are compressed and things like tapback and grou…

RCS is awful. It’s an out-of-date, encumbered “standard” with poor global commonality in adoption. It exists for one reason only - because US carriers wanted some way to keep charging per message like their old sms cash cow, instead of being reduced to just proving dumb internet piping. Despite that, the carriers couldnt even agree amongst themselves on the "standard" RCS features to deploy for 10 years or so, until google co-opted the effort for their own goals semi-recently. Let it die.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by robbyking »

gtvwill wrote: post #41

1/3 of my kids have iPhone. The use of iPhones amongst them and their peers is directly related to their level of IT/Tech knowhow. Long story short the kids on android are probably gonna wind up building the tech the kids on apple consume. Or atleast that's how it's playing out amongst them atm. iPhone kids legit just take photos and short vidyas mostly of themselves. It's like you can correlate an iPhone with a toxi…

Since we're trading anecdotes, none of the iOS engineers on my team have Android phones, but about half of the Android engineers have iPhones.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Aloha »

m348e912 wrote: post #8
rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

(iPhone user here) It does seem to me that Apple isn't playing fair and this is no longer the technical issue it once was. Apple has so far refused to adopt RCS (the successor to SMS and MMS) which is now an industry standard for text messaging. Because of that, aside from the green bubble, the text messaging experience with non-iPhone users is subpar. Images and videos are compressed and things like tapback and grou…

Show me an RSC server run by a carrier and I'd believe it.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #81
heavyset_go wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…

I just got a backup iPhone SE for $430. It's fantastic. Same chip as recent iPhones. Very decent camera. Better battery life than my 13 pro. Actually fits in pocket. More fun to play games with one-handed. Easily will last 5 years with a case. Not a luxury device, but pretty competitive with what a lot of young people in even middle-income countries would pay for phones.

$430 is a lot to some people.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by adeleine »

chenshuiluke wrote: post #45
JPKab wrote: post #21

My 16 year old son has an iPhone because Apple has the best parental control integration built-in. Kids can always get around it, which is why I have monitoring the little bastard doesn't know about via my WiFi router, along with automated deactivation of his cellular data connection via a schedule with the carrier (after 10 PM on weekdays). The "green bubble" crap that I get from my iPhone owning buddies due to my P…

Why go to such lengths to monitor your 16yo?

Sitting in front of a phone all day at this age leads to severe mental health problems and is probably the biggest portal for unfiltered harmful content

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7012622/

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