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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Huh1337 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #367
Huh1337 wrote: post #353

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No, it's so bad it's better to have nothing for a while, save some money and then buy a better phone. These phones really are so bad. Give it a go. Usually it's a horrible mess of Chinese tracking code, shitware apps you can't uninstall, and it won't be getting any system updates in a year. Buy an older flagship second hand phone for $20, that's going to be much better experience than a new $20 one, even if it's 5+ y…

It is when you need a phone to run apps to do your job or for simple things like banking. Talked to a pest control guy who works for a large company, and he needs a smartphone to do his job. He is quite literally managed through an app, needs it to check-in to work, for time sheets, find out where the next customer lives etc. Someone like that cannot go without a smartphone, requirements like that are leaking into lo…

No, it's not. Never buy a new $20 phone - it's subsidized by all that tracking and pre-installed shitware and it won't be getting updates soon, if it ever got even one, and the hardware is going to be absolutely terrible too. Buy a second hand one if $20 is all you can spend.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by beckingz »

rootusrootus wrote: post #323
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

> it's criminal that a vast reason they have so much market share is because of imessage and the fact that it's "broken" with SMS to some degree. That's just speculation, though. It's entirely plausible that the fundamental reason they have so much market share is because people agree with you: > I just want a phone that works. I've gone back and forth between Android and iPhone myself, and what draws me back to iPho…

Lower total cost of ownership?

For an iPhone?

That does not check out unless you're buying the extra fancy android phones.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by tootie »

throwaway773748 wrote: post #364
rsync wrote: post #2

My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

It's worse than that. At our kids' school, they are required to have iPads for their school work. By default then, iMessage becomes pretty much the only game in town for them to message with their friends. If they want a phone that can also then participate in those conversations, iPhone is the only option, it's not even a choice. SMS isn't a thing, if you have any other phone, your friends with iPads only don't even…

My school district almost went down that road before making the much saner decision to buy chromebooks.

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

reiichiroh wrote: post #265
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #99

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$430 is a lot to some people.

What about monthly data plans and their recurring costs?

That's another uniquely American atrocity.

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Post by sbuk »

heavyset_go wrote: post #301
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iPhones aren't luxury phones, sheesh. Their flagships are, sure, but the SE is extremely competitive in the US, especially when you consider their longevity and support. And then of course there's the used market. I mean, if 87% of teens own an iPhone, then that's very much by definition NOT luxury, as luxury is necessarily exclusive to some degree.

You can get a new Android phone for $20. The charging cables alone for an iPhone, which don't come with the phone, cost $19 each by themselves.

Erm. Every iPhone comes with a lightning cable in the box. You can also buy lightning cables from other manufacturers for considerably less than $19. Get your facts right.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by jameal »

endtime wrote: post #282
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

Have you tried a Pixel? I've been happily using them for years.

I'm still using a first generation Pixel XL I bought refurbished many years ago. Battery life ain't great but it does what I need it to do.

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Post by sho_hn »

Maursault wrote: post #356
sho_hn wrote: post #189

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I think people here take issue with the walled garden model of an intra-device comm protocol, not the price point or desirability of iPhones. The comparison to luxury cars is especially crude because it's an industry far more tightly regulated to the benefit of customers than any section of consumer electronics.

> I think people here take issue with the walled garden model of an intra-device comm protocol, not the price point GGP specified ostracizing by Apple of those "who can't afford to carry around luxury phones." Now you are suggesting that Apple excludes communication from non-Apple customers by using an "intra-device comm protocol," which I believe most refer to as iMessage. I'm pretty sure it was conceived to save th…

Let's put it this way: I am largely on board with your line of reasoning, in so much that you're forcing people to make up their mind on what they're really upset about and what the root problems are. :-)

For myself and my own grievances, I'm not a fan of comm protocols that don't allow an open market of clients and servers to exist and to interoperate. I much prefer using the ones that do, and so I do a lot of my group chatting on Matrix in the social spaces where I can. The "green bubble effect" and who gets to control it adds another to my list of reasons to want the more open systems to be well-made and prosper, although it's not a primary driver.

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Post by gw99 »

tayo42 wrote: post #361
gw99 wrote: post #254

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This is quite frankly utter bullshit unless there is a lack of parenting going on i.e. you brought your kids up to be judgy assholes. My kids and their friends have a right mix of all sorts of phones. They don't even talk about it. They just work out how to deal with it. Mostly that results in them picking a common platform, usually Discord or Snapchat and using that. This is not a technology issue!

Can't help but notice the irony of how much judgment is in this post

That point is recursive...

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Post by givemeethekeys »

retrac wrote: post #176
twobitshifter wrote: post #47

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Is the iPhone se really luxury? If you are starting from the idea that every teen will have a smart phone, I think apple has blanketed the market with products at all the cost points.

A new unlocked iPhone 13 Mini device is $850 in Canada. I can buy an unlocked Android smartphone for under $80 that'll do what I need. Though I splurged and spent just under $200 on my last phone. Something that costs 4x as much as a decent mid-range model that will meet most people's needs is luxury. Most people do not purchase phones and service plans the way I do (separately - I buy an unlocked device up-front the…

> A new

After having owned a what was already considered 'old' used iPhone for three years, I finally bought a new iPhone, which I expect to use for the next five years.

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