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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by gtvwill »

369548684892826 wrote: post #126
gtvwill wrote: post #41

1/3 of my kids have iPhone. The use of iPhones amongst them and their peers is directly related to their level of IT/Tech knowhow. Long story short the kids on android are probably gonna wind up building the tech the kids on apple consume. Or atleast that's how it's playing out amongst them atm. iPhone kids legit just take photos and short vidyas mostly of themselves. It's like you can correlate an iPhone with a toxi…

Doesn't match what I see. Tech knowhow is more likely correlated to whether the kid has a laptop or PC to play with rather than what OS is on their phone.

The iPhone ownership tends to roll on to the laptop/compute choice. And much lulz the apple kids are basically stuck in the realm of fisher price kids computers using apple.

They watch on in awe as the normal pcs play games, open any program they want and so on.

Tbh I actually find it quite depressing. I setup online games and score free stuff for the kids and half their mates can't even participate cus they are cucked by apples stubbornness and general refusal to play ball w the rest of the world.

Been on a slow mission to donate them all pcs. I run a micro msp so I get used gear regularly. Theyre all getting exposure to Linux too cus why the hell not.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by lostmsu »

RockRobotRock wrote: post #314
hn_saver wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean updates that intentionally slow your device so that you will want to buy the new model?

This is a nice headline, but doesn't match reality. I really hate how much of an Apple fanboy I'm coming off in this thread, but if you're just going to spout straight lies, it's hard to ignore. It's true that overtime iOS has become way more bloated, but they have released major updates which actually sped up older devices because they were focused on bug fixes and improvements, rather than something that's flashy a…

He is referring to the degrading battery fallout in 2016: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/11/apple-settles-wi...

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Huh1337 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #342
Huh1337 wrote: post #321

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You ever tried that? It's a horrible experience. I love Android but you definitely need to spend much more to get something out of it. My advice is to get a second hand Samsung flagship - I have S9+, that's a great phone you can get for $200 - but don't go for anything less, you'll be very sorry if you do.

A $20 Android phone is better than nothing when you're already struggling to pay bills and raise children. That's the reality many people face.

No, it's so bad it's better to have nothing for a while, save some money and then buy a better phone.

These phones really are so bad. Give it a go. Usually it's a horrible mess of Chinese tracking code, shitware apps you can't uninstall, and it won't be getting any system updates in a year.

Buy an older flagship second hand phone for $20, that's going to be much better experience than a new $20 one, even if it's 5+ years old and doesn't look good anymore.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by lostmsu »

bink wrote: post #220
hn_saver wrote: post #183

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You mean updates that intentionally slow your device so that you will want to buy the new model?

They had a choice between slowing the device or providing a substandard user experience when the old battery couldn't keep up and the phone shut down. I think there are plenty of reasons to criticize Apple but I have no idea why people have latched onto this obviously false narrative.

Or they could have recalled faulty devices, you know. To fix them and provide the experience they promised originally.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by nordsieck »

reiichiroh wrote: post #247
GekkePrutser wrote: post #212

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But with Android you get much more features for the money. All Android phones are bezelless for instance, even the cheapest budget phone. The SE still rocks the iPhone 8 design from 2017 with all its drawbacks. Personally I don't use Apple because I have far too many things I can't do on it (mostly due to their restrictions in the app store, like using open PGP keys over NFC). But if I did I'd never consider the SE.

Why is bezelless a “feature” or improvement?

> Why is bezelless a “feature” or improvement?

I mean, it makes the phone smaller for the same screen size. That's an improvement for me.

Not enough for me to drop $$$ on an iPhone-mini, but I'd be happy if Apple put future SEs into an "iPhone 13 mini" body (presumably with a single lens camera).

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Maursault »

sho_hn wrote: post #189
Maursault wrote: post #173

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> Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. Tell me about it. Audi, BMW, Ferrari and Lamborghini have been ostracizing me, and so have all the gas stations around where I live! Not only that, but Microsoft, developers of pro software, movie theaters, restaurants, travel agents, lawyers and hookers! The nerve of them all to exclude…

I think people here take issue with the walled garden model of an intra-device comm protocol, not the price point or desirability of iPhones. The comparison to luxury cars is especially crude because it's an industry far more tightly regulated to the benefit of customers than any section of consumer electronics.

> I think people here take issue with the walled garden model of an intra-device comm protocol, not the price point

GGP specified ostracizing by Apple of those "who can't afford to carry around luxury phones." Now you are suggesting that Apple excludes communication from non-Apple customers by using an "intra-device comm protocol," which I believe most refer to as iMessage. I'm pretty sure it was conceived to save the user from paying for SMS and MMS, or at least being a relief to use of those for-pay protocols, and the dreaded "green bubble" merely an indicator that the cell provider may be charging for it.

The idea of competing for space here seems to be very popular, and there are many alternatives, such as WhatsApp, WeChat, Facebook Messenger, Kik, Signal, and many others. I just had the strongest sensation of deja vu, no, yes... something... do you at all remember IRC, IRQ, AIM, Yahoo Messenger, Jabber, MSN Messenger, Google Talk? I don't recall anyone complaining about iChat or any of the other services mentioned for being exclusive, which they all are.

Are you sure the grievance is legitimate? Where were the complaints before with the legacy chat apps? What makes Apple deserving of special scrutiny while every other message service with similar exclusivity is doing nothing wrong?

I also don't see how Apple is responsible for narcissistic parents raising bullies and shitheads. Innocent kids being ostracized really could be, and I think really is, the responsibility of bad parents.

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Post by mojzu »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #212
nordsieck wrote: post #113

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> Is the iPhone se really luxury? If you combine the SE with the local used market, it can get extremely inexpensive. I'm currently rocking an SEv2 that I got for $150. I'm not saying that $150 is cheap objectively, but in relation to Android phones - even used ones - it stands up pretty well. This is especially true since Apple supports phones for so long. If you're cost constrained, you can spread the cost of a pho…

But with Android you get much more features for the money. All Android phones are bezelless for instance, even the cheapest budget phone. The SE still rocks the iPhone 8 design from 2017 with all its drawbacks. Personally I don't use Apple because I have far too many things I can't do on it (mostly due to their restrictions in the app store, like using open PGP keys over NFC). But if I did I'd never consider the SE.

The screen size/battery size would probably be larger on a price competitive Android phone then the SE, however I doubt you'd get as fast a processor/as many years of software updates either so it really depends what you prefer. I may be biased though having the SE, think I'll only bother to upgrade it when Apple finally switches to USB-C

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by rr888 »

eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

> I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication.

I think this is the real reason for kids using iphone, most a seeeded with parent's castoffs. If your parents are android users the phone is probably broken. :)

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by nordsieck »

abledon wrote: post #232
GekkePrutser wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But with Android you get much more features for the money. All Android phones are bezelless for instance, even the cheapest budget phone. The SE still rocks the iPhone 8 design from 2017 with all its drawbacks. Personally I don't use Apple because I have far too many things I can't do on it (mostly due to their restrictions in the app store, like using open PGP keys over NFC). But if I did I'd never consider the SE.

its the only iphone model with a physical front button. it will be my replacement come december!

> its the only iphone model with a physical front button.

It's definitely a great feature if you wear a mask often. I find I only have trouble with it if my finger is wet.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by RockRobotRock »

lostmsu wrote: post #352
RockRobotRock wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a nice headline, but doesn't match reality. I really hate how much of an Apple fanboy I'm coming off in this thread, but if you're just going to spout straight lies, it's hard to ignore. It's true that overtime iOS has become way more bloated, but they have released major updates which actually sped up older devices because they were focused on bug fixes and improvements, rather than something that's flashy a…

He is referring to the degrading battery fallout in 2016: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/11/apple-settles-wi...

Yeah, good point, if I remember they did give you the option to override the battery safety feature and preserve your clock speed. Still, I think it is fair to say that iOS did over time start to feel more sluggish as they were adding more ambitious features which an aging chip couldn't handle.
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