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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by asciimov »

hn_saver wrote: post #183
asciimov wrote: post #129

Best things about the iPhone: - long term support - can expect a new device to get 5-6 years of Apple Updates - AppleCare - better build quality than cheap android devices - Reasonable expectation that required software will support it - Not having to listen to a teen complain about what their friends have that they don't - Finally, Updates, APPLE SUPPORTED UPDATES! - I'm really salty that my android phones had to be…

You mean updates that intentionally slow your device so that you will want to buy the new model?

I'll take updates that slow my phone as long as I'm also getting security updates. I don't like have my banking app cut off because I no longer get Android updates.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by rootusrootus »

alphabetting wrote: post #196
throwaway894345 wrote: post #104

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Android users’ text message bubbles show up green, and you can’t send the “tapback” reactions (or rather, they show up as a “so and so has liked your post” rather than a thumbs up icon). This is annoying for Android users and it’s kind of tedious for iPhone users to have to vet group chats to see if there is a single Android user who might be annoyed. Apparently this is factoring into people’s phone purchasing calcul…

It actually only shows the "so and so has liked your post" on Apple devices unless they've changed it recently. In Google messages you see the reactions from iphone users as they should be shown.

Tapbacks on text messages work on the iPhone side too. I just had the occasion to try that a few days ago.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by LocalPCGuy »

sneak wrote: post #38
m348e912 wrote: post #8

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(iPhone user here) It does seem to me that Apple isn't playing fair and this is no longer the technical issue it once was. Apple has so far refused to adopt RCS (the successor to SMS and MMS) which is now an industry standard for text messaging. Because of that, aside from the green bubble, the text messaging experience with non-iPhone users is subpar. Images and videos are compressed and things like tapback and grou…

RCS is less of an industry standard than iMessage. Apple built something better. So did Google. Then Google killed theirs. Then they did the same thing three more times. It's no wonder nobody wants to use Google messaging, and that Google resorts to smear campaigns. People would rather use WhatsApp spyware from FB/Meta or totally unencrypted Discord/Slack than bother with another Google IM product (which, let's be cl…

It's (iMessage) not a standard if it isn't open for adoption by anyone else.

It doesn't matter how much better it is, if the only way to use it is via Apple hardware. It's their prerogative to do that, and it makes good business sense assuming it doesn't bring them monopoly problems (and IMO it probably shouldn't due to the aforementioned stats re: worldwide usage at 27%, and even US usage is only at 55%).

But it in no way is a standard. It's just a proprietary piece of software. So literally any other standard proposal is "more of a standard" than iMessage.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by RockRobotRock »

hn_saver wrote: post #183
asciimov wrote: post #129

Best things about the iPhone: - long term support - can expect a new device to get 5-6 years of Apple Updates - AppleCare - better build quality than cheap android devices - Reasonable expectation that required software will support it - Not having to listen to a teen complain about what their friends have that they don't - Finally, Updates, APPLE SUPPORTED UPDATES! - I'm really salty that my android phones had to be…

You mean updates that intentionally slow your device so that you will want to buy the new model?

This is a nice headline, but doesn't match reality. I really hate how much of an Apple fanboy I'm coming off in this thread, but if you're just going to spout straight lies, it's hard to ignore.

It's true that overtime iOS has become way more bloated, but they have released major updates which actually sped up older devices because they were focused on bug fixes and improvements, rather than something that's flashy and looks good in a commercial.

Is it a useful tactic to sell more phones? Absolutely. It also means that iOS completely destroys Android's statistics on % of users who run the latest version of their OS.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by est31 »

leetrout wrote: post #160
Gigachad wrote: post #114

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You can get older iPhones for almost free. And they work fully with iMessage

Locally? Or is there a reputable place online?

I've bought an used SE 2 from refurbed, but it's not available in the USA. There are competitors which do deliver to the USA, e.g. refurb.me: https://www.refurb.me/refurbished/iphone/iphone-se-2

It's its own entire market. Generally I would suggest looking for bigger companies and ones which have policies to replace batteries if they are below a certain health level.

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Post by tomjakubowski »

AustinDev wrote: post #175
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

I remember when Steve Jobs said it would be an open protocol.

You misremember. It was Facetime which Jobs promised Apple would make into an open standard, in 2010. He died the week before Apple released iMessage.

"And we're going to take it all the way. We're going to the standards bodies, starting tomorrow, and we're going to make FaceTime an open industry standard." - Steve Jobs, 2010 WWDC Keynote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxf9tEXEKQ

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by alphabetting »

rootusrootus wrote: post #312
alphabetting wrote: post #196

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It actually only shows the "so and so has liked your post" on Apple devices unless they've changed it recently. In Google messages you see the reactions from iphone users as they should be shown.

Tapbacks on text messages work on the iPhone side too. I just had the occasion to try that a few days ago.

It doesn't say "so and so has liked your post" on Iphone when someone has Android in a group chat now?

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Huh1337 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #301
crazygringo wrote: post #134

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iPhones aren't luxury phones, sheesh. Their flagships are, sure, but the SE is extremely competitive in the US, especially when you consider their longevity and support. And then of course there's the used market. I mean, if 87% of teens own an iPhone, then that's very much by definition NOT luxury, as luxury is necessarily exclusive to some degree.

You can get a new Android phone for $20. The charging cables alone for an iPhone, which don't come with the phone, cost $19 each by themselves.

The original cables do. You can buy much cheaper cables on Amazon and elsewhere.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by yamazakiwi »

threatofrain wrote: post #115
heavyset_go wrote: post #24

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We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…

What is the difference to Nike providing kids with flashy shoes when the sole purpose is class and coolness? According to the same report, Nike is the most preferred fashion brand among teens. At least with Apple's message indication you know you're getting encryption and thus privacy from carriers. Would it be less problematic if Apple simply mentioned "warning: this is unencrypted SMS"?

Because wearing Nike's doesn't visually highlight every person's shoes on the basketball court that doesn't have Nikes.
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