My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .
Same with mine!
Sounds unbearable. I hope they survive to adulthood as a green bubble.
87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…
Is the iPhone se really luxury? If you are starting from the idea that every teen will have a smart phone, I think apple has blanketed the market with products at all the cost points.
Anything that has 87% of the market is by definition mass-market.
Edit: Back in the '90s, PC Magazine had a saying, "the PC you want costs $3,000". This figure was fairly stable despite the improvement in PCs' performance over the decade.
By this standard, and considering that as well as a PC it's a phone, a camera, an atlas and an encyclopedia, a TV and a music player, the iPhone doesn't seem too much like a luxury.
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I think the common take on the "Apple tax" is a false impression. A sort of knee-jerk reflex when seeing the price tag, without any further thought. Every brand has a premium product segment with premium price tags. The difference is that Apple doesn't have a budget segment with budget price tags.
They have the iPhone SE which they explicitly market as a budget option.
Which is still not a budget option. Not in hardware quality, not in customer/product support, not in price. It's a premium product in every way.
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#194I tried avoiding the iPhone bandwagon for practically a decade, going from flip phone to the HTC Droid Incredible, to some HTC M , to Samsung S4, and then a series of Pixel phones, starting with the OG Pixel, and ending with the Pixel 3. I have to say: besides a few clunky swipe experiences, the iPhone is better in every single way. The camera opens when I click the camera button. The phone pairs wonderfully with my…
I was forced to iPhone 18 months ago and while it isn’t as bad as I’d feared, notifications just don’t seem right to me on iOS. I’m constantly missing things that I never would have on a Pixel.
Really? My Android phone gets notifications way way late compared to my iPhone.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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Sitting in front of a phone all day at this age leads to severe mental health problems and is probably the biggest portal for unfiltered harmful content https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7012622/
I'd wager that at 16 years old having no privacy and such a nasty relationship with your parent would have much worse effects
You're assuming the relationship is nasty. It isn't a given that people who raise kids differently than you do will fill them with hatred and bitterness.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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What's a "green bubble"?
Android users’ text message bubbles show up green, and you can’t send the “tapback” reactions (or rather, they show up as a “so and so has liked your post” rather than a thumbs up icon). This is annoying for Android users and it’s kind of tedious for iPhone users to have to vet group chats to see if there is a single Android user who might be annoyed. Apparently this is factoring into people’s phone purchasing calcul…
It actually only shows the "so and so has liked your post" on Apple devices unless they've changed it recently. In Google messages you see the reactions from iphone users as they should be shown.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
#197My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .
I find it strange how iMessage has become so important (for lack of a better word) in the States. I have had to use it for the last 2-3 months, as WhatsApp cannot be installed on my not-updated older iOS anymore, and I have to say that WhatsApp is way better at doing the messaging thing than iMessage. Granted, I'm in my early 40s and I honestly didn't know that there were different "bubble colours" when using iMessag…
Although in the States, most people don't use WhatsApp by default unless they regularly text overseas (which most don't). I have it installed but there is like one person who I very seldom use it with. Another person I use Facebook Messenger with. Work folks I often use Google Chat for. Everything else is SMS/iMessage and, as a non-teen, I absolutely don't care what color the bubble is (unless there's some cost implication for international texting).
Text messaging is free for the most part in the US--and most people don't care about encryption details--so it's natural to just use what's built in.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
#198My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .
Who tf uses imessage? Its all whatsapp, telegram or fb messenger or discord here. Sweden. SMS is not used. Only for... passwords, spam and reminders for packages.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…
I just got a backup iPhone SE for $430. It's fantastic. Same chip as recent iPhones. Very decent camera. Better battery life than my 13 pro. Actually fits in pocket. More fun to play games with one-handed. Easily will last 5 years with a case. Not a luxury device, but pretty competitive with what a lot of young people in even middle-income countries would pay for phones.
$430 is getting close to luxury phone. And the features on remotely affordable iPhones are often below or maybe on par with what you used to be able to get from LG for $220 before they sadly stopped.
The chip only matters for gaming really, cheap Android phones have been fast enough for years, and if the price difference is similar to a Switch or something then I'd rather have a dedicated gaming machine if I was really into gaming.
I suppose it also matters for niche stuff like music production, but Android does very well at being a generic multipurpose device for non-enthusiast tasks, and at being cheap enough that you can afford a dedicated device.
The short support period is an issue though.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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$430 is a lot of money though... and probably a lot for a "kids" phone too? You can get previous generation androids that aren't total POS for ~$150, like a Moto G 8-9.
My first smartphone, as a highschooler, was $40 (circle 2014). My first "luxury" phone was a $150 Android. A $430 price tag IS a lot.
In the US?? It was VERY rare to find a phone that cheap in 2014. I had a Nexus 5 in 2014 and it went for $350 ($437 in 2022 dollars). And that was considered a really good deal/budget phone.