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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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This stuff scares me a bit, both because green bubble culture is creepy, and because I really do not want iOS to become the dominant mobile OS just as Android is becoming one of the most amazing platforms out there.

Would love to hear your thoughts on what makes Android "one of the most amazing platforms out there"?

I can run actual Firefox with ublock origin.

or Bromite.

or Brave.

or anything really.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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What's a "green bubble"?

Android users’ text message bubbles show up green, and you can’t send the “tapback” reactions (or rather, they show up as a “so and so has liked your post” rather than a thumbs up icon). This is annoying for Android users and it’s kind of tedious for iPhone users to have to vet group chats to see if there is a single Android user who might be annoyed. Apparently this is factoring into people’s phone purchasing calcul…

All incoming texts, whether sms or iMessage, show up in a gray bubble.

Only your own outgoing texts are in a colored bubble

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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What is the difference to Nike providing kids with flashy shoes when the sole purpose is class and coolness? According to the same report, Nike is the most preferred fashion brand among teens. At least with Apple's message indication you know you're getting encryption and thus privacy from carriers. Would it be less problematic if Apple simply mentioned "warning: this is unencrypted SMS"?

Only reason its not encrypted is because Apple won't allow it to be.

Citation needed. Is this really true? I keep hearing about RCS etc but I also keep hearing it's not actually a good standard. Not even sure it does encryption frankly.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Is the iPhone se really luxury? If you are starting from the idea that every teen will have a smart phone, I think apple has blanketed the market with products at all the cost points.

The average worldwide cost of a smartphone is ~$300. Android phones can be bought new in box for $50-$170. The iphone SE which is basically last years model starts at $429 and comes without the power bring which allows you to plug into an outlet which costs an additional $18. That is iphones start at a cost more than the majority spend on a phone admittedly worldwide but that isn't what I call all cost points.

> The iphone SE which is basically last years model

The iphone SE is not last year's mode. It's an iPhone 8 body (including camera) with the current CPU. For example, the SEv3 came out this year and has the same CPU as the iPhone 13 which came out at the same time.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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They would rather be dead than be uncool! Yikes.

A lot of teenagers would rather be dead than uncool. One day, someone will figure out how to become a "blue bubble" with an android, and that person will make a lot of money.

I'm sorry, but no they won't. They will make a small amount of money, and then will be sued into the ground by Apple if they ignore the mountain of cease and desist warnings they will get.

There have been a few attempts to make a cross-platform iMessage client (see: https://bluebubbles.app/), and they all require either genuine Mac hardware, or a virtual machine with spoofed serial numbers.

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I'd wager that at 16 years old having no privacy and such a nasty relationship with your parent would have much worse effects

You're assuming the relationship is nasty. It isn't a given that people who raise kids differently than you do will fill them with hatred and bitterness.

"monitoring the little bastard doesn't know about via my WiFi router" proves for me but of course that will be a matter of opinion

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That's only if you're using google's SMS app. Many phones ship with something else (like Samsung's) as the default.

No reason Samsung can’t do the same.

Doesn't really matter whether they could do the same if they don't.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Would love to hear your thoughts on what makes Android "one of the most amazing platforms out there"?

I can run apps I download from anywhere I want, for one, like I can on laptop.

That’s always been true of android but the parent implies that something has been changing.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .

Do people on androids in the US actually use SMS? My experience in the UK and France is WhatsApp/telegram have basically 100% penetration and SMS is only used by businesses and 2fa

Yes. I've never used whatsapp or telegram. I use SMS weekly or daily.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Android users’ text message bubbles show up green, and you can’t send the “tapback” reactions (or rather, they show up as a “so and so has liked your post” rather than a thumbs up icon). This is annoying for Android users and it’s kind of tedious for iPhone users to have to vet group chats to see if there is a single Android user who might be annoyed. Apparently this is factoring into people’s phone purchasing calcul…

It actually only shows the "so and so has liked your post" on Apple devices unless they've changed it recently. In Google messages you see the reactions from iphone users as they should be shown.

Whoa, that’s great to hear. My Android-user friend said otherwise, but maybe she was misinformed or I misunderstood or something.
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