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Microbes that cause cavities can form superorganisms able to ‘crawl’

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The evolutionary adaptations oral bacteria have developed to coexist are fascinating. Another example is the known gum disease-causing species, P. gingivalis, can suppress our adaptive immunity [1]. This finding underscores the importance of taking preventative approaches to prevent attachment of biofilm producers (and why daily hygiene is so important), and finding more approaches to biofilm destabilization, like in…

1. I heard that oral health either predicts or is a causal effect in dementia and Alzheimer’s. What’s the mechanism? 2. Should we be having micro biome implants? And more ridiculously, but not really, should we have “celebrity micro biome” products?

Concerning 1.

The above mentioned [1] species P. gingivalis is suspected to be a link there. [2]

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33158019

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia#Dental_health

Re: Microbes that cause cavities can form superorganisms able to ‘crawl’

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Do you feed your dogs kibble? It is not a natural diet. Horses likewise are typically eating a very unnatural diet, typically hay. These are both perfect examples of a analogous diet to modern human diet. The difference being that they are animals and have no ability to correct for poor dietary "choices" with proper maintenance. I agree, however, with your self assessment.

> I agree, however, with your self assessment. Didn’t take long to go from glib self deprecation to judgy spectator sport. Okay holier than thou pet owner, you tell me how I’m supposed to not feed my pup kibble. She has a prescription low fat diet and there are two vendors total who supply the prescription. One supplies only kibble. The other supplies kibble and canned food. She will only eat a few bites of the canne…

> Okay holier than thou pet owner, you tell me how I’m supposed to not feed my pup kibble

No need to take it personally. I don't think they were judging you for feeding your pup kibble at all. Just that it's not a fair representation of a "wild animal on a natural diet"

Re: Microbes that cause cavities can form superorganisms able to ‘crawl’

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Anecdotally, I’m having one hell of a time with my 3yo and 5yo’s teeth. No juice. No soda. No bad snacks. Lots of dentist recommended foods and snacks. Full brushing and flossing regimen. Fluoride. Dentist applied special fluoride treatments. Trust me when I say we’re doing everything right. And yet they’re 3 and 5 and have had so many cavities. I asked my dad about it and he said my brothers and I had, frankly, poor…

Try giving your kids xylitol candies/mints (available at amazon and many health food stores), initially after every meal - you can probably reduce the frequency/amount later.

There are xylitol chewing gum, but I've read articles about kids dislike for chewing gum these days - so candies/mints may be more palatable.

search for "xylitol tooth decay" for explanation about its effects.

Excerpts from one such link: https://bellharbourdental.com/cavities/xylitol-reverse-tooth...

Mutans streptococci (MS or S. mutans) are a bacterium in plaque and saliva that are major contributors to tooth decay and oral disease.

...xylitol reduces the levels of MS in the mouth. It essentially starves the MS bacterium by not providing any energy to it when metabolized. Since xylitol is a non-nutritive sugar the MS bacteria spend energy to metabolize it and in return receive no energy gain from it. It’s a sunken cost and the S. mutans cannot keep growing. This reduces the population of S. mutans and impedes the ability of plaque and bacteria to adhere to our teeth. It also decreases the amount of lactic acid present in our mouth, making our teeth less vulnerable to decay. Curiously xylitol does all of this without affecting the other beneficial, or overall, flora of our mouths.

Another amazing find has been that when a mother of a newborn uses xylitol, that child’s teeth prove to be more resilient against cavities as they develop. Children have a dramatically lower risk of cavities when their mothers use xylitol starting 3-6 months after childbirth and continue using it until all their baby teeth are formed around the age of 2.

Xylitol comes in many forms but the most common delivery method is through chewing gum. Chewing xylitol gum for 3 weeks or more provides not only short but also long-term reductions in S. mutans levels! Even just the action of chewing the gum helps to rinse away lactic acids.

In order to be effective against bacteria the optimal intake levels are at least 6-10g of xylitol per day. Xylitol gums range from having .75g – 1g of xylitol per piece. So make sure to check the gum that you’re buying to make sure it contains closer to the ~1g/piece mark. In order to reach those levels you will need to chew more than one piece at a time a few times a day. After meals is a great routine to get into, but make sure to wait for at least 20 minutes after eating food before chewing xylitol gum.

Re: Microbes that cause cavities can form superorganisms able to ‘crawl’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I agree, however, with your self assessment. Didn’t take long to go from glib self deprecation to judgy spectator sport. Okay holier than thou pet owner, you tell me how I’m supposed to not feed my pup kibble. She has a prescription low fat diet and there are two vendors total who supply the prescription. One supplies only kibble. The other supplies kibble and canned food. She will only eat a few bites of the canne…

> Okay holier than thou pet owner, you tell me how I’m supposed to not feed my pup kibble No need to take it personally. I don't think they were judging you for feeding your pup kibble at all. Just that it's not a fair representation of a "wild animal on a natural diet"

You should re-read GP for context.

Re: Microbes that cause cavities can form superorganisms able to ‘crawl’

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post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Okay holier than thou pet owner, you tell me how I’m supposed to not feed my pup kibble No need to take it personally. I don't think they were judging you for feeding your pup kibble at all. Just that it's not a fair representation of a "wild animal on a natural diet"

You should re-read GP for context.

You should reread.

None of what I had stated was directed at your bizarre situation. You have internalized some kind of trauma about your dog and chose direct those statements at yourself.

Get help or something

Re: Microbes that cause cavities can form superorganisms able to ‘crawl’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should re-read GP for context.

You should reread. None of what I had stated was directed at your bizarre situation. You have internalized some kind of trauma about your dog and chose direct those statements at yourself. Get help or something

I’ve got plenty of help thanks
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