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FBI Monitored Aretha Franklin for Years, File Shows

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Post by juve1996 »

prange wrote: post #121
micromacrofoot wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would that matter? he's not president

He and a large number of his supporters contest that, and believe he should run again. Independent polls suggest he would have a good chance of winning. He is probably the only person who might actually get to enact this policy, whereas nobody in the current administration is even talking about it. How could it be more relevant?

Trump had 2 halls of congress and the presidency and didn't get it done the first time, he won't now, especially since he can use them again.

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Post by RetpolineDrama »

techwizrd wrote: post #138
RetpolineDrama wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also have the seemingly unique and blatantly unconstitutional power to imprison you for ""lying"" to them. The actual wording/charge is "providing false statements", which means anything that they can later suggest is untrue . This is why you should never, ever speak with anyone associated with the FBI even if they are being "friendly". Say they knock at the door and have questions for you about your shady neigh…

I don't believe this is the case, but I am also not a lawyer. The _actual_ wording of 18 USC § 1001 is "[...] knowingly and willfully" "(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact; (2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; [...]" [0], not simply "providing false statements." The DOJ must show that the statement was false, the fact…

https://www.popehat.com/2011/12/01/reminder-oh-wont-you-plea...

Great writeup on the topic

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Post by daveevad »

mansion7 wrote: post #76
pjc50 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is against the FBI because they're investigating him. It's not that deep.

We do know that at least two FBI agents were found to have conspired against him during his first campaign. We also know that an FBI attorney falsified information to get warrants against his campaign advisor. We know that the FBI urged the media to actually censor negative news about his political opponents. It would be difficult to them trust such an organization to them perform fair investigations against you afte…

regarding, an FBI attorney falsified information to get warrants:

> In spring 2017, Mr. Page, denying he was a Russian agent, told reporters that he had provided information to the C.I.A. about Russia. An F.B.I. agent who was preparing to sign a factual affidavit to accompany the fourth wiretap application asked Mr. Clinesmith to obtain clarity about whether the C.I.A. considered Mr. Page a “source.” That led to Mr. Clinesmith’s interactions with a C.I.A. counterpart, who sent back an email referring to Mr. Page’s status as an American citizen and citing the memorandum from August as a place to find more information. Based on that exchange, Mr. Clinesmith told the agent that the C.I.A. had explicitly said Mr. Page was “never a source,” something his C.I.A. contact later denied saying. When the agent wanted to see it in writing, Mr. Clinesmith inserted the words “and not a ‘source’” into the email before showing it to his colleague. The agent was satisfied and signed the wiretap affidavit without adding any disclosure about Mr. Page’s relationship with the C.I.A.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/us/politics/kevin-clinesm...

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Post by exq »

scarface74 wrote: post #174
fsociety999 wrote: post #62

The FBI is more or less a legalized criminal organization that is funded by U.S. taxpayers, but is unelected and unaccountable to them. This article is from 2013, but I haven’t seen anything to suggest that this behavior has changed: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/04/fbi-in... The important part to consider: > The FBI gave its informants permission to break the law at least 5,658 times in a single…

> The FBI is more or less a legalized criminal organization that is funded by U.S. taxpayers, How is this any different than local law enforcement? I’m not saying you are implying this. But it’s strange that the same people who “back the blue” locally, want to “defund the FBI”.

Strange, these same people loved when the fbi in 2016...

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Post by virissimo »

hericium wrote: post #163
firmnoodle wrote: post #155

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I think he's talking about the domestic operations. I would agree that the CIA and their sister organizations who operate internationally fit the description as well. Can't torture someone, well, take them to a friendly place where your buddy can torture them. Need to plant some FUD on a person? "an anonymous source in the intelligence community said that X did Y in Z." Unelected, Unaccountable and unchecked in every…

Frank Olson's[1] death is an example of possible/alleged CIA's internal operation. There are numerous other cases like this. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson

Discrediting Joseph McCarthy is another example of a CIA internal operation: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/48603/did-the-c....

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Post by theandrewbailey »

themitigating wrote: post #117
theandrewbailey wrote: post #2

Defund the FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF, and DEA. They've proven themselves to cause more trouble than to solve problems.

How do you know they cause more trouble than they solve? They've solved thousands of missing childen, sexual predators, kidnappings, etc

FBI targets susceptible people and surrounds them with informants that encourage the target to commit a crime, but somehow failed to take action against the 9/11 hijackers.

CIA tortures people overseas. EDIT: CIA also arms militia groups that are against, or later turn on, American interests.

NSA has a habit of spying on every American. (Remember Snowden?)

ATF enforces all the weird gun laws, like how an AR15 is sometimes a handgun.[2] It also engages in sieges that end up killing kids.[0] [1]

DEA is all about the failed war on drugs.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege

[2] https://www.usacarry.com/ar-pistols/

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Post by RetpolineDrama »

scarface74 wrote: post #177
RetpolineDrama wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also have the seemingly unique and blatantly unconstitutional power to imprison you for ""lying"" to them. The actual wording/charge is "providing false statements", which means anything that they can later suggest is untrue . This is why you should never, ever speak with anyone associated with the FBI even if they are being "friendly". Say they knock at the door and have questions for you about your shady neigh…

Everything you said is true for local law enforcement also

Is it? On what charge, "obstruction of justice" perhaps?

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Post by kodyo »

jstarfish wrote: post #108
RetpolineDrama wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also have the seemingly unique and blatantly unconstitutional power to imprison you for ""lying"" to them. The actual wording/charge is "providing false statements", which means anything that they can later suggest is untrue . This is why you should never, ever speak with anyone associated with the FBI even if they are being "friendly". Say they knock at the door and have questions for you about your shady neigh…

Do you have any credible examples of any of this actually happening? The only times I've ever seen this card played is as punishment for deliberately misleading agents and wasting their time, not getting inconsequential facts wrong. ...like the high-profile Gabby Petito murder case, where Brian Laundrie's parents lied to investigators to conceal their son's whereabouts after the murder. Or that other recent one where…

Gen. Flynn was prosecuted for something the FBI claimed he said in an FBI investigation that he didn't say, and the FBI slow-walked producing the exculpatory evidence.

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Post by prange »

juve1996 wrote: post #191
prange wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He and a large number of his supporters contest that, and believe he should run again. Independent polls suggest he would have a good chance of winning. He is probably the only person who might actually get to enact this policy, whereas nobody in the current administration is even talking about it. How could it be more relevant?

Trump had 2 halls of congress and the presidency and didn't get it done the first time, he won't now, especially since he can use them again.

He wasn’t being investigated when he was in office.
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