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Post by xracy »

phpisthebest wrote: post #160
pydry wrote: post #158

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A shift in power from labour to capital via weakened unions makes 10x more sense than this does.

No, you only think that because you believe unions had any power to begin with. They could only ever move the needle by a few percentage points, never anything drastic Taking care of employee requires the need to be able to look at the long term viability of the company, and understand that experienced work force is far more valuable than not. However, when you are measuring your performance in 1 quarter goals no on…

What's your source for that first claim?

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Post by datavirtue »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #201
datavirtue wrote: post #139

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I always liked going to the office to hang out (as a 35ish year old) but I would go home if I wanted to get something done. When afternoon hit the office was always too noisy. This was a typical cubicle office environment.

Noise cancelling headphones are a game changer. I got a pair of Sony WH-1000XM5's and they're like magic. Lightweight, incredibly comfortable, and the active noise canceling is like getting transported into another reality. It's the first pair of headphones I've been able to wear for a full 10-hour flight and never feel uncomfortable.

At the time I cared about my career, so I couldn't hang out looking like a pod caster. And this doesn't solve the problem of people standing there waiting for me to take them off.

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Post by phpisthebest »

JAlexoid wrote: post #209
phpisthebest wrote: post #199

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and Highest Cost of living, I would need to increase my income 250% or more to maintain the same living as I do where i am today if I lived in San Fransisco. From what I see, that would be about 80-140% higher than most non-Senior SV Jobs our there. Meaning my standard of living would drastically decrease even though my income would likely go up by 100%. Example, I own a 3 bedroom home, on 3/4 acre lot with a 15 year…

If the value of living in Bay Area was that low, you'd have a drastic decrease of rental prices. The same is with NYC - rents are considerably higher than pre-pandemic. Calling California a "cesspool" is at best personal opinion.

Shall I show you videos of homeless encampments, people openly shitting on the streets, or people sleeping in their on bile?

I can assure you that does not happen here.

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Post by ehnto »

vasco wrote: post #57
ehnto wrote: post #16

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A term getting around at the moment is "Acting your Wage" which I like a lot better. Employers shouldn't be surprised when people do what they're paid to do.

That attitude is childish at best. If you're not happy with the wage, quit and go get it somewhere else. Employers would feel the pressure of "lack of labor" and wages would rise. Accepting a job and then deciding the wage is not enough for the duties you have to perform after the fact just slows the process down for everyone and usually puts extra work load on your colleagues. I'm assuming of course that you mean wh…

I think this is a miscommunication. Acting your wage would be doing your job as you should be fairly expected to do it. The culture of overwork and hustle is what people are opting out of, but by calling it quiet quitting they are making it sound like people are doing the bare minimum to not get fired.

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Post by sixstringtheory »

thrwy_918 wrote: post #11
neogodless wrote: post #3

It irks me that some people use this term to mean "doing your job, as expected." I would imagine it to mean "doing the absolute smallest amount you can get away with without getting noticed and subsequently fired." Fulfilling my duties but not doing overtime seems like "doing your job" rather than "quiet quitting."

I agree that your definition would be more intuitive, but I think that ship has sailed. It seems to be almost universally used to mean "performing the required duties of your role, and no more" I think it's an indication of a totally dysfunctional work culture that "not doing extra" can be synonymous with "not working at all" The fact that the author claims to have given "200% of [their] energy" to their job "through…

I find it very similar to the mentality induced by rating systems, where 5 stars is 5 stars and 4 stars is 1 star. I remember a discussion about that some time ago here but haven’t been able to find it again.

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Post by DesiLurker »

masterof0 wrote: post #14

Boomers look surprised, and I think they fail to see the reality of current times. Decades ago, an university teacher, could afford to buy a home for his family , not too far from where he/she/* worked. Nowadays, even with FAANG salaries you can't buy a decent size home for your family even in a "30 minutes drive" radio from where your offices are. Imagine other professions who are not paid as much. People see throug…

Exactly, here in silicon valley the housing is so expensive that even if you can afford a house with FAANG salary you'd have to keep doing it for next 30 years to be able to actually own the damn thing. I don't know how any of this is sustainable without having some kind of familial or mental breakdown.

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Post by jld89 »

workerthrow632 wrote: post #33

I finally 'quiet quit' when I realized being a minority in tech means I'll never break the glass ceiling past senior engineer regardless of how hard I work or how visibly I help. Even in school I was shoved into secretarial work until I finally convinced professors to let me work solo and would smoke entire groups. People for some reason think I am good enough to interview for lead or architect then seem surprised wh…

I totally relate. Had the same experience in a pseudoFAANG digital giant.Except the autistic etc part...

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Post by jld89 »

swagasaurus-rex wrote: post #118
nordsieck wrote: post #67

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> Times used to be you'd be recognized for your hard work and get raises, bonuses, and promotions but those days are gone. Now you have to change jobs to get ahead. So why put in any extra effort at a temporary job? I guess it depends on what you're looking for. If you just want to chill, that seems reasonable. But if you're a climber, it seems reasonable to put in work and ask for extra responsibility that will help…

This translates into "Pad my resume" work. Yes, I spearheaded a campaign which doubled the visitors to our store (I ran some google ad words). Yes, I led a team which overhauled our public image leading to double digit growth. (I tweaked some CSS). Yes, I reported directly to the CEO (we chatted about my project and the company a few times)

I loled, thanks for the laughs. Totally true though, everyone does this.

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Post by jld89 »

hamburglar wrote: post #144
gsibble wrote: post #31

I worked 200% for over 15 years in Silicon Valley. You know how many raises I got without changing jobs? Zero. You know how many promotions I got? Zero. You know how many bonuses I got? Zero. You know how much more work I got assigned? A TON. Hard work only begets hard work these days and not further compensation. The old paths to higher compensation and career growth are dead, and employers killed them. There's no r…

> I worked 200% for over 15 years in Silicon Valley. You know how many raises I got without changing jobs? Zero. You know how many promotions I got? Zero. You know how many bonuses I got? Zero. You know how much more work I got assigned? A TON I’m baffled by this based on my 33 years in tech in Silicon Valley and Seattle. I worked at a bigcorp where my salary doubled in 2 years based on recognition from me busting my…

> Am I just the luckiest gen x tech dork alive?

... yes?

I mean I worked my ass off for years (and got raises every year, so lucky me). But when I asked for a promotion they gave the post to some new comer with less experience. (???) Lesson learned.

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Post by nikau »

JAlexoid wrote: post #188
Kon-Peki wrote: post #85

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> no one wanted to do it because they've heard since they were 8 years old how bad working with your hands are and they should get an office job In my area, youth soccer referees are being offered $50/hr and the age requirement has been lowered to 13 for U8 matches. They still have trouble getting enough people. Every soccer club in the area sends out multiple emails to parents asking them to get their teenagers to g…

That's not a full time job, you know that.... right?

Reminds me about a guy I knew who was going on about his amazing contract rate and I was like "wow that's approaching a million a year" - only to be sheepishly told that it was for for a whole 4 days...
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