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Re: Starting a food co-op: Year 1

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Post by wonderwonder »

sure_about_that wrote: post #109
wonderwonder wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"DEI is very important for basically any organization that doesn't want to be known as a bunch of exclusionary jerks" exactly my point, now you have to push it or you have to be worried about being automatically labeled racist. How condescending and insulting. "it's pretty hard for any new endeavor to be equitable without taking an extremely long and hard look at how the endeavor interacts with this massive legacy" N…

==I have to think its tiresome from their point of view to constantly be reminded that white people see them as other.== It’s interesting how you read DEI and immediately think it only applies to black people. Have you actually asked a black person what they think about it? If so, what did they say? If not, maybe you should. What are the DEI policies that you support from the Republican candidate? I’ve never heard of…

The article specifically mentions black people. " It’s a bit shocking that this is still an open question for the co-op movement, especially given that the national groups are just now starting to recognize the work done by African-Americans in co-ops throughout our country’s history."

"What are the DEI policies that you support from the Republican candidate? I’ve never heard of that type of one-issue voter."

I am a father to 2 white optimally straight (downvote me if you like but I would prefer my kids be straight, if they are not then I love them the same) boys. I find the school systems and corporate worlds constant focus on the rights of everyone except them tiresome and worrisome. I live in Florida so going to vote for Desantis. I don't like him at all but I respect his stance on this. I am going to vote for him based on this single issue.

Re: Starting a food co-op: Year 1

#112

Post by wonderwonder »

zzzeek wrote: post #108
wonderwonder wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"DEI is very important for basically any organization that doesn't want to be known as a bunch of exclusionary jerks" exactly my point, now you have to push it or you have to be worried about being automatically labeled racist. How condescending and insulting. "it's pretty hard for any new endeavor to be equitable without taking an extremely long and hard look at how the endeavor interacts with this massive legacy" N…

throughout your "rant" as you call it, and your concerns and personal experiences, one theme stands out that you are very concerned and fixated about how all of this is making you feel. I would propose that likely the first step in understanding anti-racist practices and attitudes is learning to think about how others feel about their experiences. "dont be racist" is not really the core of the problem, it's "listen t…

I hear what you are saying but again, being "anti-racist" is not a concern of mine. I am not a racist and generally treat everyone I meet the same. I don't have any intention of making "Anti-racism" a part of my personality or understanding it because it is very low on my list of concerns. People are people. They get hired to do a job, I chat with them superficially about what they did during the weekend and that's it. Nothing else really matters. Heck for the most part everyone is just a white name on a black box on zoom now anyway.

"because you can't really, on your own, determine how to "not be racist"" I would argue that I very much can decide on my own. I don't need anyone telling me how to do it. Respectfully, the fact you think you do is a statement about you, not me.

Re: Starting a food co-op: Year 1

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Post by georgeoliver »

I was also somewhat surprised to hear there weren't any grocery co-ops in Eastern/Central Mass (notwithstanding the chain that closed), but it could be the co-op niche (small store, high-quality groceries) is already filled in the area by the many small markets, delis, etc. that have been there for decades.

Re: Starting a food co-op: Year 1

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Post by wonderwonder »

DIARRHEA_xd wrote: post #107
wonderwonder wrote: post #103

I don't get it. It said nothing about actually providing food. At what point do people grow or get produce? Also why does race have to be brought into everything? Why have the 8th principal? Looking at your board members all of you are white. All of your support staff is white. Why cant it be just a group of not racist people building a co-op, where all are welcome? Why does everything have to push race? Its exhausti…

this seems misdirected. there was only one paragraph at the end. i found the rest of the article insightful and interesting

I have hours of corporate anti discrimination classes I am trying to cram in before the deadline while trying to prepare for a major release. Its on my mind.

Re: Starting a food co-op: Year 1

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Post by ch4s3 »

mcdan wrote: post #10
nominusllc wrote: post #8

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The co-op in Gays Mills, WI has been going strong since the 80's. All you need is a homogeneous community and some hippies. It's hard for one side to get one over on the other side when everyone shares the same corner store, pool, pub, and one-eyed barber. Love that place. You can smell the spices and herbs about 20ft from the door and it's just amazing. Like a spicy masala with a little skunk to it. I think co-ops w…

One of the oldest food coops is in Park Slope Brooklyn, which is not rural but sure does have a bunch of hippies. https://www.foodcoop.com/

That place is notoriously kind of a cult. I can see it from a place I frequent, and some of the staff at that place are co-op members. They occasionally engage in illicit gossip, any the co-op sounds awful. They also boast among their members several 60s era leftist terrorists, and weather underground hangers on.

Wild place, but their apiary is cool.

Re: Starting a food co-op: Year 1

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Post by sure_about_that »

wonderwonder wrote: post #111
sure_about_that wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

==I have to think its tiresome from their point of view to constantly be reminded that white people see them as other.== It’s interesting how you read DEI and immediately think it only applies to black people. Have you actually asked a black person what they think about it? If so, what did they say? If not, maybe you should. What are the DEI policies that you support from the Republican candidate? I’ve never heard of…

The article specifically mentions black people. " It’s a bit shocking that this is still an open question for the co-op movement, especially given that the national groups are just now starting to recognize the work done by African-Americans in co-ops throughout our country’s history." "What are the DEI policies that you support from the Republican candidate? I’ve never heard of that type of one-issue voter." I am a…

You asked why there was an eighth principle and that is because it was adopted by credit unions [1]. It doesn’t only apply to black people.

So you haven’t actually asked a black person if they are offended by it. It is in fact you who are offended by it. Makes much more sense.

What exactly is DeSantis’s “stance on this”? I know he championed a bunch of laws on what teachers can do/say, and which books are acceptable to read (i.e. regulations). I’m a father to two white boys. The world seems to be treating them just fine. They don’t seem like victims, to me.

[1] https://www.thenews.coop/142498/sector/credit-unions/us-cred...

Re: Starting a food co-op: Year 1

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Post by zzzeek »

wonderwonder wrote: post #112
zzzeek wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

throughout your "rant" as you call it, and your concerns and personal experiences, one theme stands out that you are very concerned and fixated about how all of this is making you feel. I would propose that likely the first step in understanding anti-racist practices and attitudes is learning to think about how others feel about their experiences. "dont be racist" is not really the core of the problem, it's "listen t…

I hear what you are saying but again, being "anti-racist" is not a concern of mine. I am not a racist and generally treat everyone I meet the same. I don't have any intention of making "Anti-racism" a part of my personality or understanding it because it is very low on my list of concerns. People are people. They get hired to do a job, I chat with them superficially about what they did during the weekend and that's i…

Which goes back to the original point that you probably would not like belonging to a food coop very much.

Re: Starting a food co-op: Year 1

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Post by Veelox »

zzzeek wrote: post #104
wonderwonder wrote: post #103

I don't get it. It said nothing about actually providing food. At what point do people grow or get produce? Also why does race have to be brought into everything? Why have the 8th principal? Looking at your board members all of you are white. All of your support staff is white. Why cant it be just a group of not racist people building a co-op, where all are welcome? Why does everything have to push race? Its exhausti…

this article didn't seem to have anything about "race" in it except for a little box at the bottom. DEI is very important for basically any organization that doesn't want to be known as a bunch of exclusionary jerks. "Race", even though it's a only a social construct with no link to science in any way, is a big deal because people were enslaved for 300 years based on "race". After the Civil War, "race" was still used…

>"Race", even though it's a only a social construct with no link to science in any way,

Can you flesh out this thought a little more? My first reading of this makes me think your trying to say race has no basis in scientific fact but that doesn't make any sense to me. What do you mean?

Re: Starting a food co-op: Year 1

#119

Post by wonderwonder »

sure_about_that wrote: post #116
wonderwonder wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article specifically mentions black people. " It’s a bit shocking that this is still an open question for the co-op movement, especially given that the national groups are just now starting to recognize the work done by African-Americans in co-ops throughout our country’s history." "What are the DEI policies that you support from the Republican candidate? I’ve never heard of that type of one-issue voter." I am a…

You asked why there was an eighth principle and that is because it was adopted by credit unions [1]. It doesn’t only apply to black people. So you haven’t actually asked a black person if they are offended by it. It is in fact you who are offended by it. Makes much more sense. What exactly is DeSantis’s “stance on this”? I know he championed a bunch of laws on what teachers can do/say, and which books are acceptable…

Of course its me that's offended by it, I don't think I was hiding it. With that said, I'm jewish, we've kind of had our own rough go of it. Good part of my family died in the holocaust and the Russian Pogroms. I had stones thrown at me as a child on 2 occasions because I was Jewish. In elementary school I had to sit outside in the open hallway rain or shine while the christian kids prayed (I'm not from America originally). I would never work for a company that singled Jews out beneficially and taught classes that said be polite to the Jews and don't discriminate against them. It means they are specifically saying I am different and that my coworkers are potentially anti-Semites. That's pretty awkward.

Desantis' stance is essentially telling teachers don't talk about Gay/Trans issues in the classroom and don't teach in such a way as to make children of a specific race feel bad or guilty for being of that race. You can argue it goes further than this and perhaps it does but that's my main takeaway and the reason for my vote. I'll still vote Biden for president though. I'm leaning towards voting Dem for federal positions and Republican on a state level.

Re: Starting a food co-op: Year 1

#120

Post by wonderwonder »

Veelox wrote: post #118
zzzeek wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this article didn't seem to have anything about "race" in it except for a little box at the bottom. DEI is very important for basically any organization that doesn't want to be known as a bunch of exclusionary jerks. "Race", even though it's a only a social construct with no link to science in any way, is a big deal because people were enslaved for 300 years based on "race". After the Civil War, "race" was still used…

>"Race", even though it's a only a social construct with no link to science in any way, Can you flesh out this thought a little more? My first reading of this makes me think your trying to say race has no basis in scientific fact but that doesn't make any sense to me. What do you mean?

Oh man, you are in for a treat!
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