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Quiet Quitting

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Re: Quiet Quitting

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The Cousin to "quiet quitting" is a culture of "immediate gratification". The number of quick-fix, no-code, RAD tools that are delivered via SaaS are experiencing amazing growth. Front line Information Workers are increasingly conditioned to use the cloud for solutions. Managers are quick to approve budget for these tools. Is this working smarter? More resourceful? Or just lazy? Whatever the conclusion, the Hacker co…

Visual Basic and Delphi would like a word.

Re: Quiet Quitting

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There has been an erosion and change in the nature of the employee-employer relationship. Back in the day that the author initially started working, the nature of the relationship was probably much more balanced: the employee got a decent wage, was trusted to fulfil their duties with reasonable concessions and freedom (sometimes possibly doing overtime if necessary, but also being able to leave early on days when the…

I think the basis of your comment is incorrect. Employees have never had more freedom. Work from home is now widespread. Working hours are more flexible than ever. Workplace benefits have improved drastically over the last 10 years. Percentage of workers with access to maternity/paternity leave is increasing year-over-year. > There has been an erosion and change in the nature of an employee-employer relationship. Thi…

> Work from home is now widespread.

Yeah because you don't have an office anymore.

If I could have a job with a private office where I could close the door, have peace and quiet, and open the window as I wished, and I had a manager who simply gave me tasks to solve, like our parents had, I would also never quit and work there for 35 years. The working environment and conditions today are terrible in comparison, and people insisting to work from home is probably mostly a symptom of that.

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I remember work to rule well. As a kid my teachers union were going through negotiations and on the verge of striking and we got to see first hand what that's like. Turns out all those sports and extra curricular activities your kids enjoy in school aren't in the contract. Same with staying late and providing any extra help, or supporting anything like a school dance. The contract is just show up, lecture, mark homew…

FWIW: I taught high school English for about ten years. In addition to my regular 40 hrs, I routinely prepped, marked up writing, etc for an additional 15-20 hours per week. I left in June and took a new job at a small tech consultancy here in Minneapolis. Teaching is a special job in many ways, but the material benefits of exiting education are stark (at least for me).

The students are required to work for hours more per week, why not the teachers?

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Not mentioned at all is most people's salaries cannot buy you the same life that it was able to afford baby-boomers. The work-life balance re-assessment is partially based on a recognition that they are getting less benefit per hour spent at work, and for many the tradeoff is no longer worth it. If the best that people with degrees, trade qualifications or good ol' fashioned hard work can look forward to is just scra…

us baby boomers own one of the largest asset classes in the world. so much wealth tied up in ~70 million people. i wonder if any of the children of this class are stepping off the gas knowing the windfall that eventually is passed on to them.

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There has been an erosion and change in the nature of the employee-employer relationship. Back in the day that the author initially started working, the nature of the relationship was probably much more balanced: the employee got a decent wage, was trusted to fulfil their duties with reasonable concessions and freedom (sometimes possibly doing overtime if necessary, but also being able to leave early on days when the…

> in the event of economic downturns, the company was much more accommodating and tried its best to take care of the employee.

Is this accurate, or nostalgia?

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There has been an erosion and change in the nature of the employee-employer relationship. Back in the day that the author initially started working, the nature of the relationship was probably much more balanced: the employee got a decent wage, was trusted to fulfil their duties with reasonable concessions and freedom (sometimes possibly doing overtime if necessary, but also being able to leave early on days when the…

I know people that try to extract the maximum amount of value from their job with the least amount of effort. This typically entails taking extended mental health leave. They get 6-24 months of 0-100% base pay, healthcare, pto, and rsu vests while providing negative value to the organization. I feel like these "take advantage of the system people" are partially the cause of stricter monitoring and leeway.

This is a very pro-business victim mentality trying to explain why businesses act heavy handed. This is no different than the welfare queen argument.

Re: Quiet Quitting

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW: I taught high school English for about ten years. In addition to my regular 40 hrs, I routinely prepped, marked up writing, etc for an additional 15-20 hours per week. I left in June and took a new job at a small tech consultancy here in Minneapolis. Teaching is a special job in many ways, but the material benefits of exiting education are stark (at least for me).

The students are required to work for hours more per week, why not the teachers?

Because I signed a contract that specifies contractual hours and duties?

Edit: I’m also sympathetic to the argument that students shouldn’t be required to do school work outside school hours; however, that is a much more involved conversation than we are going to have here.

Re: Quiet Quitting

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> You know how many raises I got without changing jobs? Zero. You know how many promotions I got? Zero. You know how many bonuses I got? Zero. You know how much more work I got assigned? A TON. And this is the problem - even away from SV. It was recently suggested to me that the only way to earn more in my current company is if I ended up managing a team (purpose not defined, reasoning unclear). I'm in a great compan…

What irks me most about this no-raise mentality is that you make less effective money year over year than your starting salary due to inflation but your value to the company has increased from experience and institutional knowledge.

> your value to the company has increased from experience and institutional knowledge

It's my understanding that regular raises used to be the standard practice in the private sector of the US employment market for this exact reason.

Every year, you'd have your performance review, and assuming it wasn't bad, you'd get some sort of a raise.

I'm not sure where this nonsensical "no-raise mentality" comes from, when clearly it will hurt retention and lose the employer some of its most valuable employees with their knowledge, skills, and experience.

Multiple companies are paying to increase veteran retention, and I've generally been working for these companies, but the complaints here make it seem like it's the exception rather than the rule.

Re: Quiet Quitting

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post #13

There has been an erosion and change in the nature of the employee-employer relationship. Back in the day that the author initially started working, the nature of the relationship was probably much more balanced: the employee got a decent wage, was trusted to fulfil their duties with reasonable concessions and freedom (sometimes possibly doing overtime if necessary, but also being able to leave early on days when the…

I think the basis of your comment is incorrect. Employees have never had more freedom. Work from home is now widespread. Working hours are more flexible than ever. Workplace benefits have improved drastically over the last 10 years. Percentage of workers with access to maternity/paternity leave is increasing year-over-year. > There has been an erosion and change in the nature of an employee-employer relationship. Thi…

>>Work from home is now widespread.

I work not in dev but in the operations side of IT, and for system administration and help desk there has been a DRAMATIC shift away from WFH job offers, 8mos ago I would say 80% of the admin jobs I saw posted were remote... today that is less than 50%

Re: Quiet Quitting

#130
So this is "doing what you're paid for and stop giving employers your time for free"? I don't see how that is not the norm.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, remember? That goes both ways.

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