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Re: Quiet Quitting

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

jarym wrote: post #55
gsibble wrote: post #31

I worked 200% for over 15 years in Silicon Valley. You know how many raises I got without changing jobs? Zero. You know how many promotions I got? Zero. You know how many bonuses I got? Zero. You know how much more work I got assigned? A TON. Hard work only begets hard work these days and not further compensation. The old paths to higher compensation and career growth are dead, and employers killed them. There's no r…

> You know how many raises I got without changing jobs? Zero. You know how many promotions I got? Zero. You know how many bonuses I got? Zero. You know how much more work I got assigned? A TON. And this is the problem - even away from SV. It was recently suggested to me that the only way to earn more in my current company is if I ended up managing a team (purpose not defined, reasoning unclear). I'm in a great compan…

What irks me most about this no-raise mentality is that you make less effective money year over year than your starting salary due to inflation but your value to the company has increased from experience and institutional knowledge.

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Post by dangerface »

I handed in my notice today I have been with the company for 7 years and am nearly doubling my pay by going else where. Last time I got a significant promotion or raise was because I got another job, stuck with the company put in the work got nothing else. Now im quitting again suddenly im the most valued member of the team and they are going to move heaven and earth to make it work.

I don't like having to threaten my boss with quitting in order to get anywhere.

My friend starts looking after 2 years and makes a boat load more than me. Loyalty and hard work just don't get you paid, knowing your market value does.

Re: Quiet Quitting

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Post by avgcorrection »

jenny91 wrote: post #13

There has been an erosion and change in the nature of the employee-employer relationship. Back in the day that the author initially started working, the nature of the relationship was probably much more balanced: the employee got a decent wage, was trusted to fulfil their duties with reasonable concessions and freedom (sometimes possibly doing overtime if necessary, but also being able to leave early on days when the…

From post-WWII and into the 70’s, American[1] workers had it good. Not because employers were nice but because the work of socialists had eventually payed off in the form of social democratic concessions. Enter the Baby Boomer who entered the workforce in the 60’s: employers were probably “nice” and “fair”.

Now the “Mills” and “Zs” get to enter the workforce after decades of neoliberalism. Employers are no longer “nice” and “fair”. Not because they are worse people but because they don’t have to be.

[1] This Swiss website uses American pop-sociological concepts for some reason.

Re: Quiet Quitting

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Post by commandlinefan »

neogodless wrote: post #3

It irks me that some people use this term to mean "doing your job, as expected." I would imagine it to mean "doing the absolute smallest amount you can get away with without getting noticed and subsequently fired." Fulfilling my duties but not doing overtime seems like "doing your job" rather than "quiet quitting."

> Fulfilling my duties but not doing overtime

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I might even suspect that the term "quiet quitting" was actually coined by people who were cynically looking for a way to goad people to work more unpaid overtime.

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Post by Kon-Peki »

hijinks wrote: post #36

I'm gen X so sort of right in the middle. I consider my generation on of the last of the american dream is attainable for the average worker. I was able to buy a home in my early 20s and climb the wealth ladder. I busted my ass working a 40hr a week job and doing side hustles to make it happen. If you are looking for a home now outside a major city and don't want a 2hr commute things are so slim even if you work your…

> no one wanted to do it because they've heard since they were 8 years old how bad working with your hands are and they should get an office job

In my area, youth soccer referees are being offered $50/hr and the age requirement has been lowered to 13 for U8 matches. They still have trouble getting enough people. Every soccer club in the area sends out multiple emails to parents asking them to get their teenagers to go through the USA Soccer online training program. But you can see that 90% of the kids that end up doing so are from low-income families for which college was probably not an option anyway.

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Post by skyyler »

Eumenes wrote: post #56

Alot of young people are being influenced by stupid trends on reddit (like /r/antiwork) or this 'quiet quitting' nonsense. Alot of young people also believe that meritocracy doesn't exist in the modern workplace, which is dangerous, because we all know it 100% exists.

Does it though?

The whole trend is because people don't feel like it's there. You haven't actually respond to them, all you have done is dismiss their thoughts as "stupid" or "nonsense"

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Post by bitwrangler »

avgcorrection wrote: post #74

> This concept is illustrated by a video that has gone viral on social media. “You are still performing your duties but you’re no longer subscribing to the hustle culture mentality that work has to be your life,” the young man in the video says. They really needed a word to describe having a rational (as in rational self-interest) attitude towards work.

How about "quiet working" instead of quitting?

Re: Quiet Quitting

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Post by [deleted] »

workerthrow632 wrote: post #33

I finally 'quiet quit' when I realized being a minority in tech means I'll never break the glass ceiling past senior engineer regardless of how hard I work or how visibly I help. Even in school I was shoved into secretarial work until I finally convinced professors to let me work solo and would smoke entire groups. People for some reason think I am good enough to interview for lead or architect then seem surprised wh…

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Re: Quiet Quitting

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Post by cjohnson318 »

neogodless wrote: post #3

It irks me that some people use this term to mean "doing your job, as expected." I would imagine it to mean "doing the absolute smallest amount you can get away with without getting noticed and subsequently fired." Fulfilling my duties but not doing overtime seems like "doing your job" rather than "quiet quitting."

On top of that, using the term "millennial" to refer to "kids these days". A lot of millennials are pushing forty, own houses, and have multiple kids now.

Re: Quiet Quitting

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Post by ThalesX »

paradox242 wrote: post #29
neogodless wrote: post #3

It irks me that some people use this term to mean "doing your job, as expected." I would imagine it to mean "doing the absolute smallest amount you can get away with without getting noticed and subsequently fired." Fulfilling my duties but not doing overtime seems like "doing your job" rather than "quiet quitting."

I too found this definition perplexing, and I can only attribute it their knowing that "the minimum to not get fired, often including deceptions about the quality and quantity of work" sounds a lot worse, even if the reasons behind both attitudes are for generally the same reasons. I am somehow a millennial despite being born in the early 80s and so I straddle the divide here somewhat. I share their cynicism and dist…

> At the same time, I can't really bring myself to do bad work or generally shirk my responsibilities. Part of this is due to the relationships with my bosses and coworkers, knowing that they are largely trapped in the same circumstances and that they will likely have to pick up the slack, and part of it is just a personal value on doing a thing as well as I can.

Sort of in the same position as you im terms of late millenial. I have always gotten kicked in the ass for doing this. I put a high personal value on the work that I do and go (what I consider) above and beyond. But at all my employments there was a time when I needed help (medical emergency, life emergency, burn-out, family issues etc.) and have always found that I didn't get the support I expected and needed; even from the bosses that I appreciated.

Ultimately, that always drives me to keep a more open eye on new offers.

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