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> These images are all fake, and obviously so. As a photographer, what about these images is obviously fake? > All the eyes are at an identical pitch Which is evidence of what? Generally, when booking photos are taken, the subject is asked to look at a single spot to preserve consistency and identifiability. > when you go to the source you'll find many of them wearing exactly the same clothes, with exactly the same c…
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This is a very simplistic view of the tensions in the region, which have been ongoing for decades. Just as the US has reason to retaliate against Saudi Arabia, many other places could also have reasons to push the ruling family out of power and gain influence. It also fails to account for the autonomy of the people there. Is it really so hard to believe that they are rebelling against authoritarianism? Even if there…
You're absolutely right it's been going on for decades, but I think looking into that history is also telling. In 1953 Iran was a relatively secular and democratic nation that had generally positive, though flagging, relations with the West. Then their leader decided to reduce US/UK control over his country's oil assets. So of course we had to bring democracy to them. But since they already had a democracy, autocracy…
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This is a very simplistic view of the tensions in the region, which have been ongoing for decades. Just as the US has reason to retaliate against Saudi Arabia, many other places could also have reasons to push the ruling family out of power and gain influence. It also fails to account for the autonomy of the people there. Is it really so hard to believe that they are rebelling against authoritarianism? Even if there…
> This is a very simplistic view of the tensions in the region That is a very simplistic, and correct view of how the US manipulates such tensions. There are many of us international HNers, whose countries suffered multiple US backed coups or color revolutions, and even worse, whose grassroots popular movements were co-opted and subverted by the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_(Polish_trade_union... So m…
I'm not saying the US, and/or proxies of the agendas of the powerful who stand to gain from exploitation and meddling, aren't involved. I would expect they are very much involved, and I would be very skeptical of any claim they aren't.
What I'm saying is simply that despite this, people in those places could conceivably be independently fed up- and their dissatisfaction with their regimes stands on its own and is valid. There is a lot of nuance and a lot of different intersecting motivations and interests at play.
I just think, in my personal opinion, that those things people fight and risk dying for (freedom from persecution, personal safety, to be able to put food on the table, to care for family, etc) aren't only happening because of outside factors and political reasons, these are human concerns. People in Iran, Saudi Arabia, anywhere else, aren't just pawns susceptible to propagands- they understand there are all sorts of players trying to gain dominance over their lives. A lot of people in the US have these broad ideas about people in entire regions, as though they're monoliths- like people in Iran/Saudi Arabia were content and would have been obedient if not for foreign involvement, which I think is simplistic and I disagree with this assumption.
People in an uprising and nations in upheaval are especially vulnerable to external groups swooping in to manipulate the situation to their interests- this much is true, and it can also be true that people would have been rising up regardless. How this plays out over time is yet to be seen but unfortunately the most likely scenario is some other despot will step in to further their personal agenda at the expense of the people, whether they align with US interests or otherwise... like anywhere else, those in power will fight to maintain and gain power and control, no matter the human cost and devastation- this is true everywhere.
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#65Don't know about CIA conspiracies but I'm sure Saudi Arabians will protest Hijab mandates one day. Freedom is amazing and every human craves it at some level.
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#66Don't know about CIA conspiracies but I'm sure Saudi Arabians will protest Hijab mandates one day. Freedom is amazing and every human craves it at some level.
Freedom is amazing , true. But I am afraid you could be over optimistic saying that everyone craves it. Unfortunately many people have short-term goals that are more important for them than freedom…
You’re correct that our goals and culture that promotes purity and piety is more important than what the secular West defines as “freedom”
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China has openly acknowledged these camps, going so far has to request the UN acknowledge their sovereignty: “The Chinese government officially legalized re-education camps in Xinjiang in October 2018.[422] Prior to that, when international media had asked about the re-education camps, China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that they have not heard of this situation.[423] On 12 August 2018, a Chinese state-run tabl…
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Of course you can choose to believe that the Internet Archive is in on the conspiracy, in which case you cannot be helped.
Or you can choose to believe that Chinese police were exaggerating their arrest statistics to make themselves look good, in which case I have an interesting article for you that mentions the practice: https://madeinchinajournal.com/2019/10/25/punish-and-cure%ef...
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This has the marks of a colour revolution. From the false news spread constantly being spread by Masiha Alinejad, to the focus on a small but growing group of protestors, to the massive social media campaigns trying to flame the situation both in and outside of Iran, this is well coordinated. Mahsa Amini collapsed at a facility and was never hurt. No signs of being beaten are visible on her hospital pictures or her e…
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> These images are all fake, and obviously so. As a photographer, what about these images is obviously fake? > All the eyes are at an identical pitch Which is evidence of what? Generally, when booking photos are taken, the subject is asked to look at a single spot to preserve consistency and identifiability. > when you go to the source you'll find many of them wearing exactly the same clothes, with exactly the same c…
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If they were against ethnic groups, as the current western propaganda wants us to believe, they would have applied that policy so they'd have less of that "problematic ethnic group" They didn't, which mean they are fine having ethnic groups The west is pushing this propaganda because it's a known fact that the US want to split the Chinese territory (Tibetan, Uighurs, Taiwanese) (same with Russia btw) For the same rea…
Are you aware of the forced marriages to ethnic Han Chinese people? I am having trouble following your logic.