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Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by Dunedan »

jimmytidey wrote: post #46
UltimateEdge wrote: post #40

I wonder why the Congress takes place during the last few days of December. There aren't many travel options if you want to get back to your country before the new year.

CCC often reveals new software vulnerabilities. I don't know if it's deliberate, but if they reveal those vulnerabilities at Christmas, they ruin the holiday of whoever is responsible for fixing them - quite likely someone working for a big corporation.

People associated with the CCC most often do responsible disclosure. Therefore you can expect vulnerabilities revealed during C3 to be already known in advance to the vendor. AFAIK an exception to that are jail breaks, which have quite a history of getting announced during C3 without disclosing them to the vendor first.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by glogla »

Dunedan wrote: post #68
super256 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for con…

> Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. I'm not familiar with what happened there, but at least to me these domain names are definitely not "clearly sarcastic".

Oh you're missing the best one, "nigge.rs".

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by pessimizer »

farhaven wrote: post #20
sprash wrote: post #9

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You mean the CCC that was founded in the rooms of leftist newspaper TAZ at a table that was stolen from the anarcho-left commune "Kommune 1"? If you don't understand that the CCC is and has always been anti-fascist, you're way off the path, friend. Edit: forgot to mention: any notion that Antifa is a state-organized thing is misguided at best and wrong and in bad faith at worst. It's just not true.

> Edit: forgot to mention: any notion that Antifa is a state-organized thing is misguided at best and wrong and in bad faith at worst. It's just not true.

I'm old enough and lefty enough to remember when antifa was Anti-Racist Action, and primarily skinheads concerned about Nazi skinheads. Glenn Beck really twisted the rightists' sense of history.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by throw827474737 »

atoav wrote: post #48
atoav wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a state sponsored left wing terrorist organization [citation needed] I live next to a gathering point of leftist/antifa groups in Germany, and given the fact they are "state sponsered" they happen to get a lot of needlessly violent police response. I'd imagine a state which "sponsored" a group would protect them from the state's executive. Also the CCC publishes consistently statements that oppose the current Germa…

Funny how throughout my over 11k karma points the only comments that get downvoted without reply or clarification are ones that underline slightly left leaning viewpoints with facts. I'd love to know the factually wrong parts of what I say, so I can avoid saying it in the future and maybe even adjust my world view accordingly. This happens with many issues I discuss, but when it comes to (on the european political sp…

All true, no worries. You cannot change world views.. to me it is always and everytime again really amazing how much some even generally liberal people, especially in the US, despite sometimes non-arguable facts.. as soon as it is a bit left (or not even that, just labelling it as such) it just either cannot be, or must be bad.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by super256 »

Dunedan wrote: post #68
super256 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for con…

> Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. I'm not familiar with what happened there, but at least to me these domain names are definitely not "clearly sarcastic".

> I'm not familiar with what happened there, but at least to me these domain names are definitely not "clearly sarcastic".

Have you taken a look at the website? [1] You should be able to detect that the site is satire within a few seconds.

Of course, we could dig up the whole “what is satire, what is x-ism” controversy up again, like after the Charlie Hebdo shooting. But I do believe that it's a joke, especially when looking at the context (what most people apparently don't do).

And before labelling someone as a fascist, that's undoubtedly the thing that you should do first: look at the context.

[1] https://cock.li/

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by Dunedan »

super256 wrote: post #75
Dunedan wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. I'm not familiar with what happened there, but at least to me these domain names are definitely not "clearly sarcastic".

> I'm not familiar with what happened there, but at least to me these domain names are definitely not "clearly sarcastic". Have you taken a look at the website? [1] You should be able to detect that the site is satire within a few seconds. Of course, we could dig up the whole “what is satire, what is x-ism” controversy up again, like after the Charlie Hebdo shooting. But I do believe that it's a joke, especially when…

> Have you taken a look at the website?

No, I haven't, because the parent comment was referring to registering these domains, not about what they serve.

I also don't want to judge whether whatever happened at that C3 was justified, but rather that it's not clear from just domain names if there meant in a sarcastic way or not.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by aestetix »

super256 wrote: post #60
black_puppydog wrote: post #45

Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…

I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for con…

Where did the C3 crew say the service was fascist?

As far as I understand, he showed up to Congress and did a Hitlergrüße (Nazi salute) to their security. In Germany that is illegal and arrestable, so he should actually be grateful they only kicked him out and did not call the police. Germany has very strict laws against video-recording people without their consent, so creating this video would be considered another crime.

I can't speak for the content of the video itself, but I would imagine that most Germans would see "throwing someone on the floor" as a reasonable response to making the Hitlergrüße.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by dingosity »

super256 wrote: post #60
black_puppydog wrote: post #45

Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…

I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for con…

meh. sure. the world is against you and doesn't understand your specialness. or you could just read Popper.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by capableweb »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #69
capableweb wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or "ruining someone's holiday" is a secondary effect. Simplest explanation is that it's easy to get vacation time from your "normal" job at that time compared to other times, so if you want to make sure as many people can make it as possible, those dates are likely to be the best.

Except most people that would like to go have family commitments around this time. And airports are really busy. I've never been due to the busy and costly flights thing myself.

Where were you trying to travel from? Last time I was at the congress, most people I talked to arrived by train, myself included, even if it took a day of traveling.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by Foxboron »

super256 wrote: post #63
Foxboron wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. You choose to ignore the anti-trans posters they hung up in the conference center.

> You choose to ignore the anti-trans posters they hung up in the conference center. This is news to me. Could you share more info about this? I did a quick google search and couldn't find anything.

Well, I don't know what to tell you. There isn't anything published around this. But you can maybe find traces of the posters on social media.

They where an iteration of the "Birds doesn't exist..." posters which was a meme during that years CCC.

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