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Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

#61

Post by Foxboron »

super256 wrote: post #60
black_puppydog wrote: post #45

Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…

I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for con…

>I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1].

You choose to ignore the anti-trans posters they hung up in the conference center.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

#62

Post by medlazik »

super256 wrote: post #60
black_puppydog wrote: post #45

Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…

I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for con…

"fac|rac|sex-ist"s must absolutely be called as such first thing in order to end the discussion. Characterized, ignored, deplatformed.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by super256 »

Foxboron wrote: post #61
super256 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for con…

>I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. You choose to ignore the anti-trans posters they hung up in the conference center.

> You choose to ignore the anti-trans posters they hung up in the conference center.

This is news to me. Could you share more info about this? I did a quick google search and couldn't find anything.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by super256 »

medlazik wrote: post #62
super256 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for con…

"fac|rac|sex-ist"s must absolutely be called as such first thing in order to end the discussion. Characterized, ignored, deplatformed.

No, because it takes priority over the question of truth or falsity, and it outweighs everything else the person has done. Regardless how positive its impact has been.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by em-bee »

patcon wrote: post #56
lima wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed in principle, but 37C3 is a volunteer-run event. Admission fees are low and (barely) cover expenses.

Disclaimer: runs free events, where organizers are volunteers, in which we're still trying to find sponsorship money for small speaker honorariums. While I'm grateful to ccc organizers and understand that things are sometimes clearer and easier without the distorting effects of money... I think defaulting to offering an honorarium to speakers is really healthy. The cultural baseline can easily be set to that any "fin…

as far as i can tell, the ccc does offer support for travel expenses and accommodation if needed

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by roastedpeacock »

black_puppydog wrote: post #45

Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…

Wau Holland. Missed by those who never met him.

I too love a good talk on (e.x exploit research) and longingly wonder if in part due to attempts of censorship by companies, also the value of exploits if the 'glory times' of such presentations are over. Ultimately I respect the CCC for providing a platform to discuss difficult problems adjacent to technology as well.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by medlazik »

super256 wrote: post #64
medlazik wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"fac|rac|sex-ist"s must absolutely be called as such first thing in order to end the discussion. Characterized, ignored, deplatformed.

No, because it takes priority over the question of truth or falsity, and it outweighs everything else the person has done. Regardless how positive its impact has been.

Separate the artist from his art, and all this bullshit. That's the usual neolib reasoning, nothing new. Capitalists historically never had a problem with Fascism, only posturing.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by Dunedan »

super256 wrote: post #60
black_puppydog wrote: post #45

Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…

I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for con…

> Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism.

I'm not familiar with what happened there, but at least to me these domain names are definitely not "clearly sarcastic".

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by GekkePrutser »

capableweb wrote: post #49
jimmytidey wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CCC often reveals new software vulnerabilities. I don't know if it's deliberate, but if they reveal those vulnerabilities at Christmas, they ruin the holiday of whoever is responsible for fixing them - quite likely someone working for a big corporation.

Or "ruining someone's holiday" is a secondary effect. Simplest explanation is that it's easy to get vacation time from your "normal" job at that time compared to other times, so if you want to make sure as many people can make it as possible, those dates are likely to be the best.

Except most people that would like to go have family commitments around this time. And airports are really busy.

I've never been due to the busy and costly flights thing myself.

Re: Call for Participation to Chaos Computer Club’s 37C3

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Post by glogla »

super256 wrote: post #60
black_puppydog wrote: post #45

Funny to see a bunch of (quickly flagged) comments that show a clear misunderstanding of what the German hacker scene is and wants. Besides not being a monolith and this being amenable to labeling as such, it's still in many parts different from many other hacker scenes. The CCC has always had the ambition (and backing credentials/skills) to be a political movement as much as a technological one. In fact that's the o…

I left the CCC in 2020 after C3 crew decided that the cock.li mail-service is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack on its administrator Vincent Canfield [1]. Sorry, but throwing someone on the floor in front of the congress building for registering clearly sarcastic domains such as "hitler.rocks" and "nuke.africa" is just not what I understand under anti-facism. It's merely a power move for con…

In just this post, you

1) Disingenuously frame someone being removed from premises where they are not welcome as "decided that X is a fascist and started, escalated, and carried out an attack".

2) Care more about someone who runs services on "hitler.rocks", "nuke.africa" and "nigge.rs" than you care about CCC being kind and welcoming place for everyone - for example, people who might not want to be called "niggers".

3) Use "it's just joke bro" as a defense for despicable behavior.

I have no idea what someone like you was doing in CCC in the first place.

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