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Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 2:55 PM UTC

P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #251

NoraCodes wrote: post #214

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Hmm, this is not a good criticism of affirmative action programs. A child from a rich family, of whatever race, is far more likely to be able to attend the college of their (or their parents') choice, based on a wide array of factors. This is mitigated somewhat by federal and institutional need-based and merit-based aid, but I don't think it's really supportable to say that it's exacerbated by affirmative action. If…

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/15/asian-ameri... https://nypost.com/2022/09/10/affirmative-action-hurts-asian... How confident you are that you are not the ignorant one.

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Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by KingOfCoders » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 2:55 PM UTC

nonamechicken wrote: post #174

mkl95 wrote: post #53

I was a consultant for an American company that also hired dozens of cheap consultants from development countries. Mostly India but also neighbouring countries and some Eastern European countries. Indians were by far the hardest to work with. They ghosted women systematically which was a nightmare for our project manager. They also lied shamelessly about their qualifications which led to absurd situations. The proble…

> They ghosted women systematically which was a nightmare for our project manager. What do you mean by this? That they refuse to work with women based on their gender? "India has more women STEM grads than US, UK or France". And I see way way more women employees in software companies in India compared to US. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-has-more-wom...

Not sure how your argument works. Because there are more women in STEM in India, Indians in the US can't ghost women?

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by yrgulation » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 2:55 PM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #145

huggingrear wrote: post #107

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Japan is 98% ethnically homogenous, with the remaining 2% primarily consisting of Koreans and Chinese. I don't see why Japan would have any need for a discussion on 'race'.

So they just continue with laughable racist movies and media, and get a pass? Ok, whatever. Or do you mean, it makes sense that they are the way they are? I agree.

I think what op meant to say is if there is little diversity then naturally there would be no debate. But indeed i agree they should at least stop making racist movies.

Boy do i hate race related debates. Why is race even relevant in this day and age? It’s all in our minds and it stems from primordial tribal thinking. Its like people from village A dislike people form village B because they will steal their women and hunt their game. Such basic instincts that we somehow havent moved beyond yet despite our tech progress.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by Aunche » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 2:55 PM UTC

padolsey wrote: post #25

newsclues wrote: post #17

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Both are discriminatory, but one is virtuous and the other is bad?

Yes. Not to mince words, as others frequently do, but that's basically what's happening. The alterntive, so-called "pure meritocracy", is a farce because the implied implicit "merit" is, by the very nature of the systemic inequalities that exist, unequally distributed. And merit is transferred down the generations. Privilege begets privilege. Etc. This is the issue that we are rightfully trying to counter. It is righ…

>And merit is transferred down the generations. Privilege begets privilege. Etc. This is the issue that we are rightfully trying to counter.

Counter that by providing less privileged people with more opportunities, not by changing the definitions of merit.

It's basically impossible for anyone to become a chess grandmaster without exposure to competitive chess when you're less than 10. This obviously favors the children of the well off, but you can't deny that these children end up being better at chess.

The same goes for education in general. If elite preparatory schools didn't offer a better education than public schools, nobody would pay for them. You shouldn't use their doing better on standardized tests as an indictment on standardized tests because they're genuinely better educated. Asians tend to have the highest SAT scores of all races, and they're the least likely to drop out. Black people tend to have the lowest SAT scores, and they're also the most likely to drop out. This is a sign that the SAT is a good metric. Yet, the far left frames this two examples of racism: that both the SAT and colleges themselves are systemically racist.

By principle, I actually am in favor of affirmative action, but I'm tired of all the anti-merit rhetoric used to justify it.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by chatterhead » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 2:56 PM UTC

aliqot wrote: post #4

How does this differ from companies and elected officials openly saying right now that females and minorities are preferred for X position, like vice president of USA or CEO of Reddit?

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Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 2:56 PM UTC

nerdponx wrote: post #11

aliqot wrote: post #4

How does this differ from companies and elected officials openly saying right now that females and minorities are preferred for X position, like vice president of USA or CEO of Reddit?

Emphasizing hiring of groups that have been traditionally discriminated against absolutely has a different moral character from discriminating against those people. There are a variety of ways to argue against the former practice, but to draw equivalence with the latter practice is dishonest and/or willfully ignorant.

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Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by rchaud » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 2:56 PM UTC

thumbsup-_- wrote: post #170

Unfortunately not hiring married women with kids or asking women about their plan to have kids, not hiring older candidates or candidates with sick family members is a common practice in India. Glad that these evil companies are being called out in other parts of the world

This is a US lawsuit, filed by a non-Indian Infosys employee, against other non-Indian executives at their US office.

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Post by NeverFade » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 2:57 PM UTC

NoraCodes wrote: post #254

NeverFade wrote: post #248

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> I think you made this situation up without considering other factors because you have an ideological agenda. > Arcidiacono shows that, after narrowing down applicants to those with the strongest objective academic qualifications, Asian Americans were far more likely than blacks or Hispanics to receive a low personality score from admissions officers. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/06/harvar... S…

Yeah, that sounds like racial discrimination against Asian students! You'll note that I did not say there was no such thing as racial discrimination against Asian students, so I'm not sure how this is relevant.

So we know there is racial discrimination against Asians based on their race, and in favor of blacks and hispanics. Yet when I cited an example of an Asian kid getting rejected in favor of a black kid, you claimed I invented it. When you now admit we know it is happening.

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Post by oblak » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 2:57 PM UTC

NaughtyShiba wrote: post #8

aliqot wrote: post #4

How does this differ from companies and elected officials openly saying right now that females and minorities are preferred for X position, like vice president of USA or CEO of Reddit?

Doesn’t. Gender/minority preference is radical liberalism, which in long run causes more damage than it helps. Germany requires company boards to include females too (could be executive positions, can’t recall exactly) yet market just doesn’t have enough supply for these positions. Quit telling women that math or toy cars ain’t for them, instead of enforcing stupid rules

My niece told my wife dinosaurs are for boys. She likes her pink disney junk very much. It's not the kid's fault.

Re: Infosys asked HR not to hire 'Indian-origin candidates', 'women with children'

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th » Sun, Oct 09, 2022, 2:57 PM UTC

NoraCodes wrote: post #260

P5fRxh5kUvp2th wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/15/asian-ameri... https://nypost.com/2022/09/10/affirmative-action-hurts-asian... How confident you are that you are not the ignorant one.

I'm always open to being wrong, but I'm also pretty confident that you lack in reading comprehension skills. The argument GP was making was about affirmative action being a net negative for impoverished students, and this is, as far as I can tell, utterly irrelevant to that argument.

They accused the other poster of making up the situation in which asian students are unfairly disadvantaged.

drives a semi through the weasel wording of 'other factors'

One wonders if slaves had other factors too.