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>Because you invaded a country for no reason (like we did to Iraq), (except the one you invaded is at your borders and we put our guy at its head a couple years ago, and the one we invaded is half a planet from us), we will bring forth the apocalypse. Humans are crazy, seeing how we're speaking about a nuclear war now vs how people spoke about it in the 60s, it's like a mass psychosis, we don't care anymore, or maybe…
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Who are you quoting? > we put our guy at its head a couple years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_presidential_el... this is denying that ukraine has agency of its own. Nobody put a guy anywhere. He was elected. > we will bring forth the apocalypse. The only country that is threating 1st strike is Russia.
When people say something along these lines, they're usually pointing to 2014 when Ukraine had a revolution in which pro-Russian president was toppled, and a more pro-EU president was elected. That's also when Russian invasion started. Note that I absolutely do not agree that anybody but Ukrainian people put Poroshenko there, just pointing out you're looking at the wrong elections to counter this narrative.
Why so many Germany cities on the list? Wondering if any British and French cities on the list but not declassified yet?
East Germany was soviet
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I am struggling with the alternative. So a dictator can invade any country he wants because otherwise he can say "booh, nuclear apocalypse" and because we can't risk to be anywhere near that, we need to give the dictator whatever he wants? And the invaded country has to swallow it? It's easy to write off other people's freedom. This map is very the reason why Putin's threats are empty threats. The US, UK and France h…
> So a dictator can invade any country he wants Let me guess: You live in the US. For most people in the world, the situation is that the US, and possibly some neighboring regional power, can invade whenever they want; and at best we can offer limited initial resistance and guerilla/terrorist attack once they've occupied. But "with food comes appetite": The US government has normalized, among its citizens, the presum…
Why so many Germany cities on the list? Wondering if any British and French cities on the list but not declassified yet?
why would the US attack its allies cities? East Germany was soviet
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> We can all agree that the Iraq war was a terrible mistake, and that the United States has made many such mistakes. Why was it a mistake? It’s unclear what “mistake” means.
>Why was it a mistake? It’s unclear what “mistake” means. Tbh killing a million civilians for oil isn't a mistake, a mistake is like when you make spelling mistakes or trip and fall because you miscalculated, killing a million civilians for oil is just a warcrime, then the US might go on and on about Japan not apologizing for Nanjing for example, or just do business with Saudi Arabia who stone (aka THROW STONES ON WO…
However, Saddam Hussein was a genocidal dictator. He openly persecuted ethnic groups which were resistant to his rule. The mistake of the US was not in the toppling of Hussein, but in not having a credible plan to deal with the following sectarian crisis, where a majority ethnic group which had been suppressed suddenly has power over the minority ethnic group which had previously been in power. (The responsibility for which violence falls jointly on the people of Iraq.) To put it another way, either a genocide or a bloody civil war was inevitable with the death of Saddam Hussein or his successor, and all the US did was move the timeline forward 30 years.
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“Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me'.” - George Orwell [1] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/20274-pacifism-is-objective... this-is-elementary-common-sense-if
I’m not a pacifist but I disagree.
Stripped of that context and speaking generally, then I also disagree.
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Did you read the speech or just go with what CNN/twitter/reddit told you to think?
1. Yeah I did. https://www.miragenews.com/full-text-of-putins-speech-at-ann... 2. He says "We will protect our land with all the forces and means at our disposal and will do everything to ensure the safe life of our people. This is the great liberation mission of our people." The key point here is "our land" - this includes the newly annexed oblasts "all the forces and means at our disposal" - this includes nuclear f…
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1. Yeah I did. https://www.miragenews.com/full-text-of-putins-speech-at-ann... 2. He says "We will protect our land with all the forces and means at our disposal and will do everything to ensure the safe life of our people. This is the great liberation mission of our people." The key point here is "our land" - this includes the newly annexed oblasts "all the forces and means at our disposal" - this includes nuclear f…
So nuclear wasn’t mentioned. Got it.
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>Ukraine was a part of Russia then. Just as a Pole I am not surprised a bunch of nukes was targetting my home country - we were a vassal state to Russia back then, so that was to be expected. So you hate Russia for saving you from Hitler but you suck America's arse even though they were quite prepared to completley annihilate your country and all your people [including all your friends and family and everyone you kne…
Are you even aware that Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were essentially allies at the start of WW2 who planned to divide Poland among themselves until Hitler turned around and broke the Molotov-Ribbentrop-Pact?
I don't really understand why the German/Soviet agreement was considered the start of world war II and not the other annexations and aggressions Germany did before that. There was also the Japanese Invasion of China that happened 2 years before that treaty and yet that doesn't seem to have any meaningful impact on WWII.