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I'll send you (or anyone) a $1,000 in Bitcoin if you can provide a source where Putin threatened a 1st nuclear strike. Drive-by MSN headlines don't count.
he very much implied it - 1st annex the territories of UA and then when they try to recapture them you consider it an attack on RF and has the right to use them...
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Also people in the 60s lived through a nuke (1945) and lived through WW2. That living memory is now gone. The problem with the "anti-war" crowd right now, is many appear to be closet Putin supporters. Or at least they're so anti-American that they support Putin by default. It would help the anti-war people not in that camp to carefully disambiguate between wanting to reduce the risk of nuclear conflict -- a laudable…
If you were against the Iraq War then you could demonstrate in D.C. If you are against a Russian invasion as an American you can’t protest next to the Kremlin. You have to protest against aiding arms (not necessarily humanitarian aid), which might look like “aiding Putin”.
- George Orwell
[1] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/20274-pacifism-is-objective... this-is-elementary-common-sense-if
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If you were against the Iraq War then you could demonstrate in D.C. If you are against a Russian invasion as an American you can’t protest next to the Kremlin. You have to protest against aiding arms (not necessarily humanitarian aid), which might look like “aiding Putin”.
“Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me'.” - George Orwell [1] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/20274-pacifism-is-objective... this-is-elementary-common-sense-if
Tsk! Tsk! USA! --94 nukes targetted on brave little Ukraine. And yet you love them so much!
Ukraine was a part of Russia then. Just as a Pole I am not surprised a bunch of nukes was targetting my home country - we were a vassal state to Russia back then, so that was to be expected. The real problem was that Russia’s military plans didn’t exclude nuking Poland if it came to it. At least that’s what Kuklinski - our general from the period said.
>Ukraine was a part of Russia then. Just as a Pole I am not surprised a bunch of nukes was targetting my home country - we were a vassal state to Russia back then, so that was to be expected.
Wow! --the Stockholm Syndrome really is strong in Eastern Europe these days.
Glad I live in the very south of Australia.
> Glad I live in the very south of Australia. Don't get too complacent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach_(novel)
"The Silent Spring" has always been poetic license when it comes to nuclear weapons. We could cause a civilizational setback on an unimaginable, possibly unrecoverable scale for the human race...but we couldn't make ourselves extinct that way (for one thing: kind of a lot of people in Africa and South America, land of nobody's nuclear target). But the long term effects would be a slightly increased incidence of cancer and birth defects across the globe, but more people will die in the resultant famine from the collapse of global food production then will die due to direct or indirect effects of nuclear weapons.
Make no mistake: it would be the end of the comfortable 1st world lifestyle we know, possibly for good. But humans have existed on this planet for tens of thousands of years in circumstances far worse then now, and we have endured and continued reproducing regardless.
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he very much implied it - 1st annex the territories of UA and then when they try to recapture them you consider it an attack on RF and has the right to use them...
Did you read the speech or just go with what CNN/twitter/reddit told you to think?
2. He says "We will protect our land with all the forces and means at our disposal and will do everything to ensure the safe life of our people. This is the great liberation mission of our people." The key point here is "our land" - this includes the newly annexed oblasts "all the forces and means at our disposal" - this includes nuclear forces.
In other words he is saying that Russia can use nuclear forces to protect Donetsk / Luhansk / Crima from Ukraine.
now please send those 1000 bitcoins to UA: https://savelife.in.ua/en/donate-en/#donate-army-crypto
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Ukraine was a part of Russia then. Just as a Pole I am not surprised a bunch of nukes was targetting my home country - we were a vassal state to Russia back then, so that was to be expected. The real problem was that Russia’s military plans didn’t exclude nuking Poland if it came to it. At least that’s what Kuklinski - our general from the period said.
>Ukraine was a part of Russia then. Just as a Pole I am not surprised a bunch of nukes was targetting my home country - we were a vassal state to Russia back then, so that was to be expected. So you hate Russia for saving you from Hitler but you suck America's arse even though they were quite prepared to completley annihilate your country and all your people [including all your friends and family and everyone you kne…
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I have no idea who you are quoting. But bowing down to nuclear threats increases the chance of nuclear war. This is because it will cause more nuclear threats in the future, and also strongly incentivize most non-nuclear countries to acquire nuclear weapons. We currently see NATO provide very stern back-channel warnings against nuclear weapon use to Russia. This is deterrence, which again decreases the chance of nucl…
> We can all agree that the Iraq war was a terrible mistake, and that the United States has made many such mistakes. Why was it a mistake? It’s unclear what “mistake” means.
Tbh killing a million civilians for oil isn't a mistake, a mistake is like when you make spelling mistakes or trip and fall because you miscalculated, killing a million civilians for oil is just a warcrime, then the US might go on and on about Japan not apologizing for Nanjing for example, or just do business with Saudi Arabia who stone (aka THROW STONES ON WOMEN UNTIL THEY DIE) or decapitate people for adultery or some other trivial thing, or even Israel and the textbook Apartheid they subjugate the Palestinians to.
I'm saying this because I just got tired of the current narrative of the US playing the good guys and Putin being the bad guy, all politicians are bad guys, and seeing how the USSR disolved on the basis that NATO would not expand further, and it still did and now it has missiles stationed in Poland, and then the west backs a coup that resulted in Zelenskyy's predecessor then in Zelenskyy, I don't understand how that would be different as say Mexico or Canada having their government toppled by a Russian backed gov.
And spare me the "nukes" are deterrent talk, a nuclear war can escalate in 1 hour and kill >99% of humans on the planet, I love my country and other European countries, but if you made me chose between losing a chunk of it or 99% of people in the world dying? Come on...
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> We can all agree that the Iraq war was a terrible mistake, and that the United States has made many such mistakes. Why was it a mistake? It’s unclear what “mistake” means.
>Why was it a mistake? It’s unclear what “mistake” means. Tbh killing a million civilians for oil isn't a mistake, a mistake is like when you make spelling mistakes or trip and fall because you miscalculated, killing a million civilians for oil is just a warcrime, then the US might go on and on about Japan not apologizing for Nanjing for example, or just do business with Saudi Arabia who stone (aka THROW STONES ON WO…
Often what people mean is indeed that US had good intentions but just went about realizing them in a stupid manner. But politics is so ideological that you kind of have to ask what they mean by their shorthands.
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Did you read the speech or just go with what CNN/twitter/reddit told you to think?
1. Yeah I did. https://www.miragenews.com/full-text-of-putins-speech-at-ann... 2. He says "We will protect our land with all the forces and means at our disposal and will do everything to ensure the safe life of our people. This is the great liberation mission of our people." The key point here is "our land" - this includes the newly annexed oblasts "all the forces and means at our disposal" - this includes nuclear f…