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Re: Declassified US nuclear targets – interactive map

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Post by avgcorrection »

eecc wrote: post #5
chaosbolt wrote: post #2

>Because you invaded a country for no reason (like we did to Iraq), (except the one you invaded is at your borders and we put our guy at its head a couple years ago, and the one we invaded is half a planet from us), we will bring forth the apocalypse. Humans are crazy, seeing how we're speaking about a nuclear war now vs how people spoke about it in the 60s, it's like a mass psychosis, we don't care anymore, or maybe…

mostly agreeable except for the premise that Ukrainians should be a passive lot that either should’ve resigned themselves to remain an impoverished, looted, vassal state like Belarus or Russia itself, or are acting as a pawn in US geopolitical hands. They — seemingly — aspire to more than that.

> mostly agreeable except for the premise that Ukrainians should be a passive lot that either should’ve resigned themselves

How did you divine this? Actually never mind: the OP is working off of either a quote from somewhere else (not the submission) or a mock-statement which is supposed to be said by people he/she disagrees with. What a confusing subthread.

Re: Declassified US nuclear targets – interactive map

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Post by _visgean »

cpursley wrote: post #86
_visgean wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> like Musk are suddenly making moves to defuse the situation. he is parroting russian propaganda word for word. (and russia is also quoting him)

He's basically suggesting the Minsk agreements are followed and what a lot of other Western geopolitical experts are saying. What is your suggestion on how to handle the millions of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukranine? Ethnically cleanse them all?

My suggestion? Let them live where they are.

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Post by avgcorrection »

hackerlight wrote: post #21
ptr wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if it’s the Internet’s fault. Maybe people have become so jaded by Online discourse and carry it over into IRL?

Also people in the 60s lived through a nuke (1945) and lived through WW2. That living memory is now gone. The problem with the "anti-war" crowd right now, is many appear to be closet Putin supporters. Or at least they're so anti-American that they support Putin by default. It would help the anti-war people not in that camp to carefully disambiguate between wanting to reduce the risk of nuclear conflict -- a laudable…

If you were against the Iraq War then you could demonstrate in D.C. If you are against a Russian invasion as an American you can’t protest next to the Kremlin. You have to protest against aiding arms (not necessarily humanitarian aid), which might look like “aiding Putin”.

Re: Declassified US nuclear targets – interactive map

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Post by [deleted] »

_visgean wrote: post #92
cpursley wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's basically suggesting the Minsk agreements are followed and what a lot of other Western geopolitical experts are saying. What is your suggestion on how to handle the millions of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukranine? Ethnically cleanse them all?

My suggestion? Let them live where they are.

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Re: Declassified US nuclear targets – interactive map

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Post by kolinko »

lordofgibbons wrote: post #41

Is there anything similar available from the Warsaw pact?

Ryszard Kuklinski - one of the military generals in Poland, switched sides and began secretly delivering intel to USA after he found out the Russian strategies.

If I remember correctly, he said that Russia’s plans assumed hitting Poland and East Germany as well, to make it impossible for western forces to march through our grounds. (Of course most nukes were still directed at the western countries).

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Post by _visgean »

brabel wrote: post #84
_visgean wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> like Musk are suddenly making moves to defuse the situation. he is parroting russian propaganda word for word. (and russia is also quoting him)

Why do you think he's doing that? Because he's being paid by Russia? Or he's just a Russia lover? Or is there any chance that he just thinks that without compromises on both sides, the war will continue for a long time and nobody will benefit from that, specially no the Ukrainians themselves?

my conspiracy theory is that he is acting full crazy in order to stop the twitter deal by scaring regulators in us and eu.

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Post by kolinko »

Normille wrote: post #29

Tsk! Tsk! USA! --94 nukes targetted on brave little Ukraine. And yet you love them so much!

Ukraine was a part of Russia then. Just as a Pole I am not surprised a bunch of nukes was targetting my home country - we were a vassal state to Russia back then, so that was to be expected.

The real problem was that Russia’s military plans didn’t exclude nuking Poland if it came to it. At least that’s what Kuklinski - our general from the period said.

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Post by _visgean »

cpursley wrote: post #77
_visgean wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who are you quoting? > we put our guy at its head a couple years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_presidential_el... this is denying that ukraine has agency of its own. Nobody put a guy anywhere. He was elected. > we will bring forth the apocalypse. The only country that is threating 1st strike is Russia.

I'll send you (or anyone) a $1,000 in Bitcoin if you can provide a source where Putin threatened a 1st nuclear strike. Drive-by MSN headlines don't count.

he very much implied it - 1st annex the territories of UA and then when they try to recapture them you consider it an attack on RF and has the right to use them...

Re: Declassified US nuclear targets – interactive map

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Post by risyachka »

throwaway0x7E6 wrote: post #87
keewee7 wrote: post #56

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>and we put our guy at its head a couple years ago >we will bring forth the apocalypse Your comment is pushing Russian lies about the 2014 revolution in Ukraine and the only one bringing apocalypse closer is Russia. As a European with many Polish and Ukrainian friends and coworkers I'm happy that libertarian isolationist Americans only have a say on Hacker News and r/Conspiracy. The world would be a worse place if Am…

the lie that the US was heavily involved in the coup?

There was no coup my friend.

You weren't there and don't know how it all went but you feel free to call it a coup lol.

I was there, my college friends were. And we all went because there of the shit that was going on.

But it is too simple for conspirators so let's add some ruski propaganda and through in some coups and western puppeteers.

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